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Colin Bishop

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Waverley hits dockside
« on: August 25, 2017, 08:16:21 PM »

The paddle steamer Waverley was in collision with the dock at Rothesay earlier today.

https://stv.tv/news/west-central/1396453-waverley-steamer-in-pier-crash-with-passengers-on-board/

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Re: Waverley hits dockside
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2017, 08:41:38 PM »

I walked past their stand at Dorset Steam Fair today and thought of her. I hope the repairs are not too bad, and that the reputation can be as easily repaired.
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Re: Waverley hits dockside
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2017, 10:11:53 PM »

Another thing she has hit....she actually came in rather hot to the pier in Llandudno a couple of weeks ago and hit it...maybee the captain should go to specsavers for a pair of glasses




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Re: Waverley hits dockside
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2017, 10:31:12 PM »

Waverley does tend to hit things a bit but as a paddle steamer she is not very manoueverable and as she only visits a lot of locations once a year the crew don't get an opportunity to practice their approach in differing weather and tidal conditions.

A few years ago we  travelled on the Lake Lucerne paddlers which provide a regular service around the lake and their crews are so familiar with the stops that they have it down to a fine art. The ship comes alongside the pier and usually stops within a few feet of the gangway position. Then just a couple of paddle strokes either forward or aft puts the ship exactly in position. But, unlike Waverley, there are no tides to contend with.

I remember back in the 60's being on one of the old Isle of Wight paddlers when she came alongside Ryde pier and hit it with her paddle box. A lot of people were knocked off their feet. Berthing alongside at Portsmouth was also quite tricky.

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Re: Waverley hits dockside
« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2017, 12:15:02 AM »


only minor bow damage.......she'll be in and out of dry dock quicker than it took to repair her steam loss this summer,.


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Re: Waverley hits dockside
« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2017, 10:14:54 AM »


Engine was still going ahead until shortly before impact. Port spring appeared to catch in port paddle wheel as she went astern which caused lashing to part and the eye to drop over the anchor fluke. Problem with spring may have influenced a decision to go astern before impact.
Waverly recently lost 10 excursion days because of air pump problem and that's revenue she cannot afford to lose..


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Re: Waverley hits dockside
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2017, 08:12:57 PM »

Trouble with passenger paddlers is as Colin says they are not the best to handle. Because they have to rely on water flow over the rudder to work, you have to go in fast, then put rudder over then go astern with power to stop them at the last minute and get your lines out smartly. They rely on springs to get alongside, I had something of a similar problem when driving Arrochar and Kinterbury, their minimum speed was 9.5 knts and max 14.5knts, because they had 4 x blade props if you stopped the engine, usually the brake shaft stopped the prop in the right position to stop water flow over the rudder, happy days.
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Re: Waverley hits dockside
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2017, 01:27:27 PM »

P & A Campbell paddlers had great difficulty berthing at Weston Super Mare. The Bristol Channel has one of the strongest tides in the world. Fine when tide going out, pushing the boat against the pier. With the tide coming in, the approach was fast and as close as possible. The irony was there was a advert for a beer on the end of the pier. TAKE COURAGE.     
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Re: Waverley hits dockside
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2017, 07:51:04 PM »

Yeah that is the problem with Passenger paddlers the individual clutches for the paddles are locked, unlike the paddler tugs which could use their paddles individually making them very handy.
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Re: Waverley hits dockside
« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2017, 06:31:23 PM »

Thought the RN used to use paddle tugs for berthing the aircraft carriers because they were so manoeuverable?
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Re: Waverley hits dockside
« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2017, 07:31:35 PM »

That's the ones Dodes refers to. I believe the last one in service was Forceful. Saw her assisting USS Saipan coming in to Pompey back in 1980 ( probably 1980! ). You could see the US Navy and Marines personnel looking over the stern, down at this apparent anachronism, doing a damn fine job of docking the US Navies latest 40 000 ton monster :-))
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Re: Waverley hits dockside
« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2017, 09:28:55 AM »

Thought the RN used to use paddle tugs for berthing the aircraft carriers because they were so manoeuverable?


Commercial paddlers cannot have independent paddles but I understand the RMAS ones did which made them very manoeuvrable.
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Re: Waverley hits dockside
« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2017, 10:01:23 AM »

Passenger carrying paddle steamers have to have both paddles keyed to the shaft to ensure that they rotate at the same speed. Before this became the rule there were occasions where they had problems in rougher water. When they heeled one paddle could be lifted out of the water and would begin to overspeed. When the ship leveled out this paddle would get a shock on hitting the water and the paddle could break leaving the steamer with one working paddle. The paddles now have to be locked together so that if one paddle lifts out of the water it will stay at the same rpm as the other and shouldn't be damaged when it enters the water again.
Paddle tugs tend to be operated in smoother water and have a wider beam than a paddle steamer. They can then operate with in dependant paddles for greater maneuverability as there is less risk of one paddle leaving the water when heeled over.

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Re: Waverley hits dockside
« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2017, 10:33:38 AM »

Nice model of the Forceful, showing her maneuverability here:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKbRzhmWHW0

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Re: Waverley hits dockside
« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2017, 09:05:45 PM »

With reference to an earlier comment, all paddle tugs had individual use of paddles, or else they would be impossible to use in towing operations. Only Passenger boats have to have them locked usually with a chain and a sealed lock and god help the owners if a state inspection finds the seal broken unless they had a very good reason otherwise. The Admiralty hung on to them for use with aircraft carriers, because of the carriers flight deck overhang the paddlers could secure alongside for the engine tug duties because the tug paddle sponsoons held them off clear.
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