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Linking Batteries
« on: October 14, 2017, 01:54:22 pm »

Hi All.
I have three 7.2v NiCad packs, 4100/4800 & 5100MaH. Can the negative wires be joined and the positive of each be routed to lights via an “Action”, “Quadswitch” safely to switch four sets of lights?
Keep it simple please, where electronics/electrics are concerned I am an incompetent, basics only.
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Re: Linking Batteries
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2017, 10:53:22 am »




                                  Yes


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Re: Linking Batteries
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2017, 11:25:23 am »



                                  Yes

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Re: Linking Batteries
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2017, 11:42:00 am »

When you indicate using the batteries to power four sets of lights I would need to know what "four sets of lights" mean - are they grain of wheat bulbs or LED's? In general you would not need all three batteries to power lighting. A 7.2v 4100ah battery would be more than sufficient to power lighting for some time. There are a couple of things you need to consider dependant on the type of lights used:


1. Grain of wheat bulbs generally operate on 6v and whilst they would work on 7.2v it is likely the additional voltage would reduce the life cycle of the bulb.
2. LED's operate on different voltages dependant on the colour - generally between 2.2 to 3.3 volts, a 7.2 volt battery direct to an LED without some form of voltage reduction or resistor will cause almost immediate failure of the LED. See http://www.componentshop.co.uk/led-exp/ for a very good explanation into LED's


Taking the above into account a single 7.2v battery would power your lights through a quadswitcher.


I will try to put together a wiring diagram to show a method of achieving this, it may take a couple of days to do this so bear with me.


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Re: Linking Batteries
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2017, 08:51:16 pm »

Simple wiring diagram as promised.
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Re: Linking Batteries
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2017, 08:48:01 am »

Neutral and Live????
AC battery methinks :D :D :D


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Re: Linking Batteries
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2017, 09:49:41 am »

Note that if LEDs are to be used, they must have the right resistors in series.  They need to have their current restricted to a (usually) low value.  Filament bulbs need to have their rated voltage.
The OP initially wanted to know about connecting several batteries to the quadswitch.  The relay contact sets are all independent of each other, so several different batteries supplying positive (or live for AC) to the "comm" terminals of each set, with the load of each being connected to the appropriate "NO" terminal and all on a common ground rail (negative for DC, neutral for AC) will work.  The control side of the switcher will get its power from the receiver. 
This is only true for switchers using relays that don't have their contacts connected to the rest of the circuit, switchers that are "all solid state" follow their own rules.
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« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2017, 01:05:52 pm »

As I understand it
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« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2017, 01:10:03 pm »

oops same thing
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Re: Linking Batteries
« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2017, 02:41:28 pm »

Thanks for drawing it, Warspite. That's how I would understand it as well.  All of the battery negatives can be safely connected together to give a common ground.
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Re: Linking Batteries
« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2017, 04:30:17 pm »

If you look at the PCB, you will probably find the
Negs are common.


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Re: Linking Batteries
« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2017, 04:58:58 pm »

The wiring Diagram from Warspite will not work, the Action Quadswitcher requires a positive feed to operate. See the Quadswitcher instruction leaflet at http://www.action-electronics.co.uk/pdfs/P62.pdf The negatives are common.


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Re: Linking Batteries
« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2017, 05:33:18 pm »

Ned
There are no common connections to the relay COM/NO/NC contacts through the PCB. Every relay is independent of the other three. The coils have a common negative but that's neither here nor there. If you wish to connect all the negative battery poles together then you have to do it via wire jumpers between the screw terminals.

Shaun
Sorry but that isn't the case. As Malcolm said, these are relays and like any mechanical switch the contacts are not polarity-sensitive. The only polarity-sensitive connections are the three wires to the receiver.

I know because I build 'em.

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Re: Linking Batteries
« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2017, 06:00:22 pm »

DM,
I stand corrected Sir  :-))


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Re: Linking Batteries
« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2017, 12:03:24 am »

What was tossing a novice like me was, where was the circuit, if all the negatives were joined together in the cloud??????

Thought you had to have a positive, load, negative and bingo there was light (circuit) or whatever.

Can now see that happening in warspites drawing.
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