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Old photos
« on: February 14, 2018, 03:21:59 AM »

Here is another old photo.
From this collection of the East End of London 1960s-70s. https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/gallery/2018/feb/13/east-end-in-colour-london-david-granick


West India Dock 1971. I was surprised to see sailing ships still in operation. Does anyone know what trade they might have been engaged in? Or is it some museum?
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Re: Old photos
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2018, 04:07:44 AM »

wow, kinda looks surreal, great photo :)

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« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2018, 08:40:03 AM »

The two ship have the same figurehead.  So they could be part of the same organisation.  Could be Merchant Navy training ships.
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« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2018, 08:46:27 AM »

Winston Churchill and Malcolm Miller methinks.


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« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2018, 09:10:40 AM »

Winston Churchill and Malcolm Miller methinks.


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Think you're on to something there. They certainly fit into the time frame.
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« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2018, 09:34:54 AM »

Sir Winston Churchill and the Malcolm Miller is confirmed.  Postings about the photo posted on the "Winston Churchill & Malcolm Miller Tall Ships Friendship Facebook page"  confirm both the ships were tied up in the Port of London West Indies dock.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/30680956784/about/
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« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2018, 09:42:53 PM »

Yes it is them, used to walk past in my youth, when I worked on the old motor barges for Crescent Shipping. Asked my old skipper who used to be an old sailorman if he could sail them, he laughed and said no problem, with there gear he said you could sail them hard in a wind. He was a fantastic sailing barge master in his time and had won a few races.
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« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2018, 10:32:56 PM »


the STS Winston  Churchill is on the left with her St Georges shield on the breast plate of the lion figurehead, and the STS Malcolm Miller to the right with the white scroll rope on the lion figurehead distinguishing her as the other twin.


there were other differences easier to spot like rounded door tops as against square topped doors on the other but can't remember which was which, but they came into Fleetwood quite regularly and with contacts would quite often be invited into the ward room for a few after hours gins.
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« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2018, 10:38:18 PM »


aye, remember those days. I had  framed pictures of both in my little coastguard cottage near the sea front.


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« Reply #9 on: Yesterday at 12:09:34 AM »

I remember going for interviews to get a sponsored berth with STS.  Didn't get them.  Basically I had too much mental faculties, all my limbs, all my senses and my folks -not rich but not quite bread-line back in the 80's.  Gutted when I was a kid I wasn't deserving enough in literally any aspect to get a sail onboard. -didn't put me off from a naval architecture degree though!
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Re: Old photos
« Reply #10 on: Yesterday at 04:23:52 AM »

Thanks for the information :-)) , very interesting to follow up on.
I was surprised to see that these two ships were designed and built between 1966-8, much later than I had expected.
Another distinction between them is that Winston S Churchill is trimmed lower at the stern, because the concrete ballast shifted when pouring. This is quiet noticeable in photos.
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« Reply #11 on: Yesterday at 03:29:22 PM »

In the first photo is that the Glen Ogle nicely framed by the schooners?
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