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What type & what rigging
« on: July 05, 2018, 08:20:04 AM »

I have had this model 60 years, it was found in a house my parents bought from a ships carpenter. I have always wanted to attach some rigging but have no idea what type of vessel it is or the appropriate sail configuration . Can someone advise? Thanks.
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Re: What type & what rigging
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2018, 09:48:30 AM »

Without seeing it in detail, I would guess it was gaff rigged.
both of the booms are for the mainsail, top and bottom.
You have have had a bowsprit fitted, the skinny one, and it looks like it pushes into the bow. the foresail would be run up the forestay from the bow to the mast. On the bowsprit there would also have been a jib, like in the picture.
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Re: What type & what rigging
« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2018, 10:06:41 AM »

This suggests a Bristol Channel Pilot Cutter I include a couple of drawings. There is plenty of info available on Google is you search for that term. Also a Facebook page dedicated to Bristol channel pilot cutters (yes I'm on there as well)

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Re: What type & what rigging
« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2018, 10:09:19 AM »

Looking at your photo, your standing rigging might look like this. Shown in red.
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Re: What type & what rigging
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2018, 10:48:19 AM »

If this was made by a local carpenter, it might help to know what part of the country you are in. It could be a Lancashire Nobby, or Morecambe Bay Prawner, if you are from that part of the world. But there are other regional variations like the Bristol Pilot Cutter.
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Re: What type & what rigging
« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2018, 01:03:23 PM »

Thanks all, that has given me something to go on.


The house where the model was found was in SE London (Forest Hill), but I have no idea where the carpenter plied his trade. I was 4 years old at the time, but for some reason I remember his name, Mr Blows, quite appropriate. I also member the workshop he had built , the bench was made of solid 2 inch thick mahogany boards. about 4 feet deep and the length of the house long. When my parents moved, I wanted to salvage the boards but didn't <:(


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Re: What type & what rigging
« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2018, 02:36:05 PM »


East coast shrimping smack, or Colchester oyster smack, perhaps. Lots of images online if you do a Google images search.
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Re: What type & what rigging
« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2018, 03:18:09 PM »

Thanks again,


Yes,  Colchester Smack images seem to fit the bill perfectly. Now I don't suppose there is anywhere to purchase suitable sails? I can make up the masts, boom and whatnot (you can tell I know nothing about ship rigging terms), but I am rubbish with a sewing machine.


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Re: What type & what rigging
« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2018, 04:06:56 PM »

I have seen adverts for making cotton model sails and I think people are looking for 200-300 quid for a set. Cotton sails will look better than any synthetic. You can use bed sheet, and then wash it to pre-shrink the cotton. You could also use more expensive Egyptian cotton from a model making supplier.
There is lots of stuff about making sails and how to choose the best direction/orientation for cutting (relates to the weft and weave, the direction of the threads) it sounds more complex than it is (NB only really important if you are going to make this a working model).  I would then cut a paper template of finished sail area, and then take the whole lot to a local seamstress (or find someone with a sewing machine who want to earn a few bob, and ask them to do it. They will hem all of the edges and make it nice. As you are in London, there are fashion design students who will maybe have more time for a little job like this.
Any seems that would be in a real sail can be mimicked with a line of stitches, or even a pencil.
Once the sails are made you can sew a bolt rope around the sail yourself, it does not take long, or get your sewing person to do it for you. Again, lots of instruction on line for this. Loops in the bolt rope can be used for attaching your running rigging, you don't need to worry about using grommets and eyelets.
I made a set of sails myself, did the sewing and made a mess of it. Next time I will make the cutting patterns from paper, and ask someone else. The bolt ropes I did myself and they are OK.


If you are going to put her on the water, once the sails are made, you can buy water proofing fluid designed for cotton jackets, and that will stop the tendency to rot. This can be purchased in outdoor sports shops. I got mine in either Blacks or Millet's.
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Re: What type & what rigging
« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2018, 05:11:36 PM »

Or, if you are intending to make a display piece of this and are happy to spend a bit on professionally made sails, you could do a lot worse than contact Frank Parsons at Nylet - www.nylet.co.uk - as he specialises in sails for vintage and pond yachts.  You will need to give him the dimensions of the sails you need, and the material you want them made from, but then he will do the rest.  (I have some of his sails and can vouch for the quality, although they are more modern in style than those you need.)  A quick chat with Frank or even a quick cruise around the website should help clarify your current uncertainty.
Good luck
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Re: What type & what rigging
« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2018, 11:03:03 AM »

Thanks All. I have a friend who is a good seamstress so I will make paper templates and ask her to make up the sails. I think this will be  A project for the winter months. I will hopefully post a picture of the completed model in due course.
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Re: What type & what rigging
« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2018, 01:12:21 PM »

I look forward to that. :-))
Don't forget to come back with any other questions about your restoration.
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