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david5

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HMS Royal Oak
« on: July 10, 2018, 08:14:00 PM »

hello all,
Does anyone have or knows where I can get a set of plans for HMS Royal Oak ?,either to buy or to copy.
Any help appreciated
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Re: HMS Royal Oak
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2018, 08:37:24 PM »

Don't forget there were 5 Ships in the class, so plans may be available for one of the others which will get you started.

Revenge
  became (Renown) 
Resolution
Royal Oak 
Royal Sovereign
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Re: HMS Royal Oak
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2018, 09:02:33 PM »

Actually Renown became Revenge!
You will need to think carefully about when you want to depict Royal Oak as the ships of this class were all modified prior to WW2 and there were significant diffreneces between them. A good place to start is RA Burt's British Battleships 1919 -1945.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00L6Z98ZG/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1
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Re: HMS Royal Oak
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2018, 02:23:22 AM »

Fleetscale lists a set in 1/128th scale. It does not indicate the time frame though. A quick phone call or e-mail should solve that.http://www.fleetscale.com/store/gb/rn-royal-sovereign-class/401-1-128th-royal-sovereign-class-revenge-royal-oak-plans.html
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Re: HMS Royal Oak
« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2018, 01:55:47 PM »

I believe Ron Dean at Dean's Marine also do a 1/96 scale hull and presumably plans to match. I have always thought these were much maligned ships. When built they were designed to fit in with the battle line so speed was 21/22 knots but they were much more heavily armoured than the Queen Elizabeth's. Two were at Jutland and scored hits. Their 15" guns were very powerful.


Other than Royal Oak they were not much modified between the wars. Whilst relatively well protected they were too slow and their design (not enough space) did not permit the extensive modernisation the Queen Elizabeth's went through.


They do however make up into superb models and really look the part.


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Re: HMS Royal Oak
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2018, 09:11:19 PM »

They are beautiful ships but sadly were often late to the party.
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Re: HMS Royal Oak
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2018, 09:45:44 PM »

It does seem wrong for this class to have been so maligned. After all, they were but one or two lsowere than the Nelsons and their armament was likewise significant. If I am not mistaken, they did play a significant role as convoy escorts where their speed was not such a factor.
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Re: HMS Royal Oak
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2018, 09:46:29 PM »

Sorry, that was meant to say, one or two knots slower....
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Re: HMS Royal Oak
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2018, 10:31:28 PM »

Yes, I agree that the class was given an unfair reputation. There were two main reasons for this.
The main armour deck was one deck higher than in the Queen Elizabeth class. So although the side armour was better, the stability of the ships in a damaged condition was compromised to some extent in favour of giving a steadier gun platform. This also made it more difficult to modernise the ships with additional topweight.
The other drawback was of course the WW1 service speed which was of course insufficient for WW2 conditions.
The R class would probably have given a good account of thenselves against  contemporary Japanse capital ships but were unfortunately very vulnerable to underwater attack.
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Re: HMS Royal Oak
« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2018, 11:06:36 PM »


You are absolutely right Akira, their eight 15inch guns put off many surface raiders from trying it on with a convoy. I fancy wargaming an encounter between one of the Gneisenau class and a Sovereign class. Also, they did Stirling work throughout the war as shore bombardment ships.


They just lacked the speed in actions of mixed class fleets such as in the Med on a couple of occasions against the Italians, and when diverted to search for the Bismark, one of the two Sovereigns so diverted might have come across her if they had had more speed.



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Re: HMS Royal Oak
« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2018, 08:37:24 AM »

I agree they were generally excellent ships but their design meant they could not easily be modernised to increase their speed. Nothing is impossible but the funds were not available. I have also thought, until recently, they would have given a good account of themselves against the older if modernised Japanese ships as they have thicker armour and much more powerful guns.

However in some recent reading I was reminded of a couple of unpalatable facts:

1) Between the wars the Japanese had significantly increased their fleet speed so the R class could not catch them unless geographic issues intervened.

2) The Japanese battleships had their main armament increased in elevation such the 14" guns (which fired a 1,400/1,500 pound shell) far outranged the 15" gun (which fires a 1,920 pound shell).

3) Tactically therefore the R class could never close the range where their 15" guns would be effective and would remain under fire without effective reply and it was this element that led Churchill to comment with the R class in the far east it was one of the most dangerous times of the war.

However they did provide sterling service as escorts as the Germans could not ignore their 15" guns which could do significant damage. Whilst outranged by the Scharnhorst class, tactically the Germans would have to close to destroy a convoy which would bring them in range of the R class and therein lies their true value.

They still look great and make great models!! I built one back in about 1972 at 1/128 scale and she still exists.


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Re: HMS Royal Oak
« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2018, 06:58:39 PM »

Yes, Geoff, I quite agree. They were very good ships for their time but not easily modernised. The enhanced armour protection included raising the main protective deck by one deck compared to the Queen Elizabeths which made them less stable but was intended to also make them more stable gun platforms. This limited the extent to which they could absorb extra weights if updated. Plus of course extracting extra speed was always going to be difficult if not impossible.

The external bulges fitted to improve underwater protection did help in improving buoyancy and stability and did not affect speed to the extent anticipated which was a plus.

But the destructive power of WW2 torpedoes was very great as photos of the damage to HMS Nelson in the Med show and three torpedo hits from full size torpedoes were never going to be survivable for a ship of Royal Oak's vintage despite her bulges. The same applied to HMS Barham in the Med.

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Re: HMS Royal Oak
« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2018, 10:12:25 PM »


Poor old Barham. Seeing her blow up with loads of  her crew on the hull always makes me very sad  <:( I know that many warships sank/blew up with barely any survivors, but the image of our sailors visible at that point, uh, so poignant.


Back to Sovereigns though, There is a YouTube video of a model of Royal Oak sailing on their pond at an open day. Cannot find it though  %%
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