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LST 2 or 3
« on: August 14, 2018, 12:10:53 am »

Does anyone know where there are plans for the Landing Craft Tank Mks 2 or 3 at all?


Aberdeen seem to have GAs but no hull lines.
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Re: LST 2 or 3
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2018, 01:52:19 pm »

Maybe steve pickstock may know, are you talking about the type done by Airfix (1:72) or Italiara (1:35)?
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Re: LST 2 or 3
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2018, 02:02:19 pm »

Niether in 1/72 these would be 32 inches long.
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Re: LST 2 or 3
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2018, 03:25:49 pm »

Sorry, I'm old and confused :-))
The thread is LST and the rest is LCT. Which is it please?
The reason I ask is the LST was the US built version and there's loads of stuff on HNSA.org
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Re: LST 2 or 3
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2018, 05:40:58 pm »

On the assumption we are talking LCT 2 and 3,  the GA drawings I have of a number of the LCTs pretty much allow you to deduce the sectional shape of the hull as they were made of flat steel sheets and the GAs show deck and bottom level edges.  I am not familiar with Aberdeen as a source of GA plans but mine were obtained from the Royal Marines Museum at Eastney which has a fair quantity of material on WW2 landing craft.  Do the GAs you have seen show more than one plan view of the LCT?
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Re: LST 2 or 3
« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2018, 06:58:51 pm »

http://www.aagm.co.uk/Visit/AberdeenMaritimeMuseum/amm-overview.aspx
They hold a lot of plans from the Lewis shipyard as well as the Hall shipyard , Russell shipyard and the combined Hall Russell shipyard when they amalgamated so might be worth a shout
http://www.aberdeenships.com/
^^ that is the website that will let you search their database for boats built in Aberdeen

http://www.aberdeenships.com/browse.asp?as_name=&as_date_from=&as_date_to=&as_type=LANDING+CRAFT+TANK&as_const=&as_desc=
shows 5 LCT's built and they hold plans for the LCT(3)'s
http://www.aberdeenships.com/related.asp?as_name=&as_date_from=&as_date_to=&as_type=LANDING+CRAFT+TANK&as_const=&as_desc=&index=47480&shipid=101509
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Re: LST 2 or 3
« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2018, 06:59:22 pm »

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Re: LST 2 or 3
« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2018, 07:19:41 pm »

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Re: LST 2 or 3
« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2018, 10:43:09 pm »

Sorry for the confusion, a typo. It is an LCT not LST. Brain fade.


I have tried Aberdeen but received no response. They have the GA  online for  an LCT 3 which I have downloaded.
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Re: LST 2 or 3
« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2018, 08:49:43 am »

http://www.aagm.co.uk/Visit/AberdeenMaritimeMuseum/amm-overview.aspx
They hold a lot of plans from the Lewis shipyard as well as the Hall shipyard , Russell shipyard and the combined Hall Russell shipyard when they amalgamated so might be worth a shout

Thanks for the link and that's another useful source of info outside the usual official archives and museums.

The GA of the LCT3 that can be downloaded is very similar in layout and information presented to the ones I have from the RMM for the LCT2(R) and LCT3(R) and they all give an indication of the line of the hull bottom which allows you to work out what the section of the hull is at any particular point on the assumption that the sides are flat .   I used that method when I drew up a plan for the LCT5 which was published by Traplet. 

You might find Tim Perry's build of a LCT4 of interest in this context  http://www.kipperboxes.co.uk/html/lct_hull_construction_page_1.html
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Re: LST 2 or 3
« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2018, 10:35:02 am »

https://prints.rmg.co.uk/products/profile-decks-sections-plan-of-thornycroft-built-landing-craft-tank-7035-in-1943-j8911    https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/30018101


The pics from the iwm give a better idea of the stern lines.
There is another rmg plan but it depends how much you want to spend!


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Re: LST 2 or 3
« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2018, 02:28:16 pm »

Thanks. A friend has given me a book with a lot of data on landing craft and various GAs.  The LCTs seem to be variations of the same hull starting with an LCT 2 becoming an LCT 3 by lengthening the hull. Then the LCT3 becomes an LCT 4 by shortening the hull and adding more beam. Alas not a hull section in any of the drawings.
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Re: LST 2 or 3
« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2018, 04:16:17 pm »

This has fore and aft ends as a guideline plus a general centre station.
https://prints.rmg.co.uk/products/docking-plan-of-thornycroft-built-landing-craft-tank-7035-in-1943-j8912
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Re: LST 2 or 3
« Reply #13 on: August 15, 2018, 09:29:23 pm »

Just to clarify what I have been saying about deriving hull sections from the GA drawings,  the Aberdeen plan does give the hull section at about frame 56 at the right hand side of the plan.  I have also attached a view of the lowest plan around this frame position with the relevant lines for the upper deck and hull bottoms marked in orange.  When I plot the measurements out I get the same angle for the hull side as is given for the frame section.  The text is a bit indistinct on  the Aberdeen download but it is possible to work out where each frame is (they are 2' 0" apart) and it should be possible to work out enough hull sections for the bow and stern to get a correct result - the sides are vertical between frames 8 and 36 anyway.  I can forward photos of the bow and stern sections of the LCT3(R) plan I have if you have any difficulty working from the download.





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Re: LST 2 or 3
« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2018, 12:27:31 am »

Guys....I'd be the first to advocate using a Plan to build a scale model...I also acknowledge that the cataloguing, digitizing then printing off a paper copy from old paper Plans...costs money in human labour

However paying $133.561 Australian dollars to the Royal Museums Greenwich is a little expensive   >>:-( for a one sheet Plan [model length 1780mm]
Postage to Australia would probably bring this cost to $150 Australian Dollars ..................

In comparison, paper Plans....[highly detailed full sized at scale -2 in a set - many views & sections {model length 1680mm} of an Australian Fremantle Class Patrol Boat]  from our Float a Boat Company in Melbourne cost $50 Australian Dollars

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Re: LST 2 or 3
« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2018, 05:39:25 am »

Derek, even less if you know someone who has access to the real plans.  ;)


So far from Aberdeen and the book I have in my possession, I have GAs for an LCT 2 & 3. The object is to get enough detail for Christian in Gibraltar to be able to make a hull in 1/72.
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Re: LST 2 or 3
« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2018, 08:40:23 am »

Something tells me the DDay Museum at Portsmouth must have accesss to decent plans:

https://museumcrush.org/worlds-last-d-day-landing-craft-tank-to-be-restored-and-displayed-in-southsea/
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Re: LST 2 or 3
« Reply #17 on: August 16, 2018, 08:55:53 am »

They might but no response yet to my email.
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Re: LST 2 or 3
« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2018, 05:58:20 am »

You may try locating the builder of this beast in 1/16 scale.


https://youtu.be/WIDJqgWX1ic

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Re: LST 2 or 3
« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2018, 08:27:47 am »

Something tells me the DDay Museum at Portsmouth must have accesss to decent plans:

https://museumcrush.org/worlds-last-d-day-landing-craft-tank-to-be-restored-and-displayed-in-southsea/


They have burst into life and have the plans. Now waiting for a quote.
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Re: LST 2 or 3
« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2018, 08:36:38 am »

You may try locating the builder of this beast in 1/16 scale.


https://youtu.be/WIDJqgWX1ic


Thanks, that one is an LCT 4.
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Re: LST 2 or 3
« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2018, 09:40:17 am »

Yes, I know. Does good, though, especially in that scale since my LCM3 would look nice beside it. 
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Re: LST 2 or 3
« Reply #22 on: September 19, 2018, 08:53:12 pm »

Does someone have some details on how to raise and lower the ramp at the front of a landing craft?  I am building a model of a small landing craft ferry that is in service among some islands in Washington State and need the help.  Thanks.
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Re: LST 2 or 3
« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2018, 09:18:41 pm »

Go to the forum home page, search facility, type in : lower ramp.
The results will give you lots of information about how others have overcome the problem  O0


Regards,
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Re: LST 2 or 3
« Reply #24 on: September 19, 2018, 10:19:40 pm »

Thanks, Ray.  Lotsa good info there.
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