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[mrzippy]

I'm from the same era, starting on the drawing board in 1972 just prior to Rotring pens -
suprised no-ones mentioned the dreaded Ruling Pen !  the two pronged jobbies where you dropped a bead of ink inbetween.

I had a double barrelled version (two ruling pens mounted side by side) called a 'Railroad Pen' for parallel or thicker lines,
rarely used it, still in its box amongst my drawing kit.

Beam Compass, Flexi-curves, Putty Rubbers & solid transparent yellow 'Rotring Ink Rubbers' which didn't work, happy days.

Paul.

[ChrisF]

I think I used a ruling pen once or twice, not sure. You're right about the Rotring Ink Rubbers, they were useless. Always had to resort to using a razor blade and eraser. Could get away with it twice on good quality tracing paper (112g Gateway from memory?) before going through and having to repair with Magictape!

Flexi-curve, French curves and a beam-compass which I used about twice amonst my stuff as well. No Putty Rubber though. There was a real skill to producing high quality drawings and I used to wince at some produced by "professionals". Of course CAD changed all that as the roughest draughtsman could then produce first class drawings!

Chris

[Stuw]

Great clean pdf guys. I want to build one as well! I have a soft spot for the Javelin shape and the Stiletto and Rapier are also of interest.


Have I missed info on bulkhead tracings or are these still eluding us all?

[ChrisF]

Good that you want to build one as well. The answer is on the previous page!

But basically a full set of drawings is being produced for the Stiletto, which is always better than pulling the information from two different sources and you will have the choice of building to the original 25.75" long or 30" long as a few of us fancy doing.

So that's at least 6 so far!   


It would be easy enough to convert the superstructure to the Arrow/Javelin version if you so desire.


Chris

[zooma]

Great clean pdf guys. I want to build one as well! I have a soft spot for the Javelin shape and the Stiletto and Rapier are also of interest.


Have I missed info on bulkhead tracings or are these still eluding us all?

Are you going to build the standard length Stiletto or a Longletto? 

[Andy M]

I am sure someone mentioned a removable superstructure, that appeals to me, two quite different looking boats, one hull. I might go for 30 inch version. Probably with Javelin superstructure to start with....... And built from ply this time😁
It would definately make it easier having a one piece superstructure, not having to get hatches fitting nice. And no split lines across your 'bonnet?' if thats what its called.


Cant wait to see some bulkheads. 😁


..... before I get impatient and start measuring off my balsa Javelin, I dont know if its angles are right, it might be shallower or deeper v than Lesro version, I guesstimated the angle from photos, looks fairly close. Anyone fancy measuring correct angle for me? Too late to affect my balsa one but would be good for my ply version I have planned next. Whether it be full 39 inch or mini 30 inch version. Whichever one I go for, I think it will be removable superstructure. The ply is on its way. Need to get the plan on my old laptop and start tracing.
Just one last thing, is the smaller (stiletto) hull identical shape to Rapier/Javelin, or is it modified?

[Andy M]

Silly me! Its late, nearly my bed time, thats my excuse.... Theres already enough on the plan for me to draw the bulkheads, cabin roof curves can be deduced from the plan too, might start my drawings tomorrow. Cheers for finding the plan Harry. 😁

[ChrisF]

It was me that mentioned the removeable superstructure in Post #51 and it will be an option rather than having the removeable roof panels for access. This usually entails an upstand which would certainly facilitate a different design of superstructure but would be difficult to provide that of the Javelin as it doesnt have a superstructure as such. Having said that there must be some way of gaining access which could be replicated? Maybe rather than an upstand use a flush recess to the perimeter?

I like the idea of different superstructures on one hull and nearly pursued it with my Huntsman 31 but decided to go with the aft cabin version in the end as I have other Faireys with aft cockpits.

Chris

Edit: our posts overlapped. I'm up far too late as well. Yes, it's very easy to produce the bulkheads from that plan which was cleaned up by Circlip from the original drawing as a basis for producing the templates.

[canabus]

Hi All


Just back from the printers with a medium size Stiletto plan 776mm(30 and 9/16") and width 217mm(8 and 1/2").
Time to start on bulkhead drawings !!!


Harry

[Stuw]

Good that you want to build one as well. The answer is on the previous page!

But basically a full set of drawings is being produced for the Stiletto, which is always better than pulling the information from two different sources and you will have the choice of building to the original 25.75" long or 30" long as a few of us fancy doing.

So that's at least 6 so far!   


It would be easy enough to convert the superstructure to the Arrow/Javelin version if you so desire.


Chris

Missed that in the excitement. Was looking at the plan PDFs and think it’s beyond me to be able to work out bulkheads properly as could do with a cutaway front view (which wasn’t ever provided obviously as it was a kit).

[Stuw]

Are you going to build the standard length Stiletto or a Longletto? 

Standard probably. Less sawing/whittling 

[Stuw]

I am sure someone mentioned a removable superstructure, that appeals to me, two quite different looking boats, one hull. I might go for 30 inch version. Probably with Javelin superstructure to start with....... And built from ply this time😁
It would definately make it easier having a one piece superstructure, not having to get hatches fitting nice. And no split lines across your 'bonnet?' if thats what its called.


Cant wait to see some bulkheads. 😁


..... before I get impatient and start measuring off my balsa Javelin, I dont know if its angles are right, it might be shallower or deeper v than Lesro version, I guesstimated the angle from photos, looks fairly close. Anyone fancy measuring correct angle for me? Too late to affect my balsa one but would be good for my ply version I have planned next. Whether it be full 39 inch or mini 30 inch version. Whichever one I go for, I think it will be removable superstructure. The ply is on its way. Need to get the plan on my old laptop and start tracing.
Just one last thing, is the smaller (stiletto) hull identical shape to Rapier/Javelin, or is it modified?

Measured my Javelin and hull V is 20 degrees from horizontal at stern.

[Andy M]

Thanks, I will need to hunt out my protractor.
I was thinking about the one piece superstructure needing an upstand, I think this could still be managed even though the superstructure is quite low on the Javelin. I will see what I can come up with when I start drawing. My ply is due to arrive today, once I finish my household duties, I will maybe get a chance to make a start on the drawing.


Its my wife's birthday today, we will be visiting her in hospital later so I should have a chance to make a start before or after that.

[canabus]

Hi Stuw

 Making Bulkheads from plans.


Use Manilla Folders with the fold as the center line.


This means you only draw up one side.


When finished cutout the drawn side with the other at the back.


Unfold for full width.


As in the Stiletto plan start with the stern.


On the side view measure from bottom to top minus the skins.


Four measurements.


The bottom chine stringer, the top of the deck stringer, next the deck inner stringer


and last the top of the deck curve.


Mark these up the center fold of the Manilla folder.


Tee square lines straight out using a pencil.


From the deck view workout from center line the cabin sides, inner deck stringer, gunwhale stringers
( the inner one being the chine stringer).


Transfer these to the correct lines on the Manilla folder.


This will give you the out points of the hull(minus skins) and location of the cabin.


Add lines to the points for the bulkhead size.


Add in your stringer and keel sizes leaving extra on the out edge to trim off.


As bulkheads 3 and 4 have the same base line at the keel use this aa a starting point.


As for the keel and cabin sides, mask tape the plan to a table and over that tracing paper or kitchen Glad Rap.


Mask tape this over the plan and draw up all the lines required.


Transfer the tracing paper to wood or Manilla folder for your templates.


The Manilla folder can be scanned to make PDF file backup for same size or resizing.


Transom done !!!


Harry

[mrzippy]

Gentlemen I think these may help, a little late to the party, discovered only this morning on an ancient pc.
they are original Streaker parts.
Paul.

[mrzippy]

I also have my drawing (on pdf.) of the Streaker bulkheads and cabin parts taken from a scrap hull many years ago -
I intended building a new model which didn't happen, it should be accurate but to date untested,
not sure if I can attach it, but here goes - and the answer is no, any suggestions ?

[canabus]

Mr Zippy


You can attach the PDFs the same as JPEG files.


Welcome to the party, better later than never.


Thanks for the pics.


Harry

[Stuw]

Harry,


Thanks for the step by step explanation. Do we know the kit thickness of ply for bulkheads, skins etc?


Mr Zippy,


Great photo of the Streaker/Javelin parts. Assume Stiletto similar shapes for some of these except the cabin bulkheads. Bob zooma I’ve linked to these photos on your Javelin thread for future reference for anyone looking.

Thanks all for the inspiration and the historical information that we are preserving here....

Are we going to end up with a Mayhem Stiletto fleet? (in various stages of completion with mine last no doubt!)

[canabus]

Hi Stuw
I think the standard was 1/4" bulkheads and 1/16" skins.


I am going 4mm bulkheads, keel and 2mm skins which is available.


4 x 8mm stringers.


Harry

[mrzippy]

Hi Guys just tried again and cannot upload onto Mayhem,
file was originally drawn on a Mac and saved as a pdf. which I can view on my pc,
its up in the background while I'm typing this, but fails to upload, any thoughts? 
Paul.

[canabus]

Hi Mr.Zippy.


PM sent.
Send them to my email address please.


I can see what I can do with them.


Maybe the files are too big for the forum site ???


If Large files you can use We Transfer, which is a free large transfer site.


Harry

[Andy M]

Hi Stuw, The protractor says....... 19 degrees for my balsa Javelin. Not bad at all for guestimation based on photos. I put it down to camera lens curvature! 😁
I will need to draw up new bulkheads for my ply version anyway, my balsa ones were sized for 1/4 bottom sheeting, 1/8 sides and 3/32 deck. And a different keel setup.
 All new info will be incorporated.
 Will definately see if I can have swappable superstructures, the thought did cross my mind briefly during the balsa Javelin build, but I decided to do it similar to original type.
 I will probably go for full 39 inch ply Javelin first and do removable topped 30 inch version Stiletto/Javelin after that.
 My 4 ways cargo ship has 4 different layouts using same superstructure and I was going to do a different superstructure for it as well, at some point..... Its on my list. 😁 So I do like swapability.
 Will the 30 inch version still be 1/16 skins? I used 1/32 ply on a 36 inch hull years ago with no apparent problems. It was light and fast.
 Dont see it flexing much by the time it is glued on the frame and spray rails glued to it. Not sure, will see when I get to that stage, I got a few things to finish off first.... 😁
 

[mrzippy]

Hi Harry - yes I checked file size at 490Kb which should have worked ok,
its on its way via PM keep me posted thanks Paul.

[madwelshman]

Many parts are 4mm, but Bow chine former and breasthook are 6mm according to the instruction book.


I will post it on here later.


Will

[madwelshman]

Stiletto instructions and wood thicknesses.