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[Martin13]

Martin and Iscc1114, you might want to have a look at the gas blowback mechanisms from Airsoft pistols. In case you aren't aware of them they work from various gas mixes to simulate the slide recoil - some of you guys are good enough to engineer a mechnaism to duplicate this and power it from a Sparklet's CO2 cylinder.

Please note I am not advocating discharging anything from these weapons just using the gas to power the recoil.

Interesting thought


Might come in handy for those little children who must touch your model. Wouldn't it be great if the gun turned, recoiled then squirted water at the little blighter's

Martin doon under.

[Martin13]

found the post here it is with a PDF describing what he wants to build.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11312433&postcount=313
If you've got a couple of hours read the thread, it is a nice build!
Foo

Foo man,

Interesting build. Haven't read it all yet but bookmarked the page. Got side tracked by Bogstandards build of the Steam Turbine Engine - what a brilliant job - I'll keep on dreaming

Martin du

[Martin13]

Time for another update.

Now that the rubbing strip was fitted, this was sanded down to a nice rounded shape including  a piece on the transom. After large amounts of sanding it was time to make up the toe rail.

This was achieved by cutting 2 lengths of 3mm marine plywood about 6mm high on the bandsaw. I then slowly pinned and glued the toe rail around the edge next to the rubbing strip. When the glue had set, I then sanded the toe rail down to about 3mm high then sanded  a radius along the top edge.

A few other pieces were attached to the hull (bits that I forgot) and filled/sanded the rear superstructure section. Ready and just needs paint at last.

My first attempt at using Plasticard. Four doors were made up and fitted to superstructure. In the photo, you can see the two  doors under the shroud,

Martin doon under

[Martin13]

It was interesting making the doors. As I have said, this is my first attempt at using Plasticard. After I had cut out the shape of the door, drilled the porthole and sanded edges, I then held the door using modelling pins to a block of wood. I then cut a length of 1mm x 2mm plastic strip and held it in place around the door frame. Using weld-on or something similar, brushed around mating surfaces never too sure if I used enough or maybe too much. After about 5 minutes I removed the pins and lifted door assembly from block - the strip fell off   %$#@%

Since then I have been advised to leave it for an hour to set.

Time to start on bridge detail.yippee.

I made up the instrument and side panels from block balsa using various thicknesses. These were then carefully fitted and glued into place. After the glue had set, I then filed and sanded the balsa top edge down to meet the marine ply outer framework. In my eagerness to do this, I inadvertently sanded a bevel around the top edge of the balsa blocks - something else to fix. This will need to be repaired later as a plasticard shelf needs to be glued on top all the way around.

I have now started to cover the balsa with 1.0mm Plasticard sheet and strips.

For representation of scale  - can you see the 1 pound coin on instrument panel

Martin doon under

[andyn]

I think that £1 would be better spent buying a proper steering wheel for it

Looks superb, can't wait to see it going

[derekwarner_decoy]

Martin......the exchange rate is good @ the moment.....so take that silly £1 coin to Harvey Norman Travel $ Exchange & convert it into legal OZ money  ..............Derek...this week in Adelaide in the rain 

[Martin13]

Hi All, back again.

For the past couple of months I have been building Ammo Boxes and seeing that this is a fairly large model, the boxes will need some detail to look reasonable.

Around the superstructure there are in total 15 Ammo Boxes of three different sizes. 4 Tall Lockers, 10 small lockers and one slightly larger mounted forward of the rear Bofor.

The lockers have been constructed using firstly a balsa block covered with 1mm styrene. The 2 doors I used 2mm styrene for better definition. for all the various hinges, piping etc, I used Plastered as they had a better selection of profiles (and I was able to buy cheaper direct from the USA).
For the door locking arms - I used 1mm brass rod and 1.5mm brass rod for the door handles..

The 4 tall lockers consist of 86 parts each whilst the smaller lockers consist of 96 parts per locker.

As you can see I still have not finished constructing the lockers but hope to do so in the next week or so. After assembly, each lockers edges etc will be finished off but I believe they will look much better once painted.

Martin du

[Martin13]

Now the Three different Lockers

Martin du

[Martin13]

and the assembly line

Martin du

[DickyD]

86 and 96 parts each, you're barmy Martin. 

Excellent job though. 

[Guy Bagley]

PERSONALLY I WOULD HAVE MADE ONE OF EACH SIZE REQUIRED, , SILICON MOULDED IT AND MADE THE REST IN RESIN - BUT FINE WORK THERE MARTIN !

[dan]

brilliant jobs on the lockers mate 

[bluebird]

neither wonder there has been no sound from you for the last couple of months  do you fancy making some more at 1:96 scale 

cracking job Grommet

[Martin13]

PERSONALLY I WOULD HAVE MADE ONE OF EACH SIZE REQUIRED, , SILICON MOULDED IT AND MADE THE REST IN RESIN - BUT FINE WORK THERE MARTIN !

G'Day there Guy,

This is a fairly large model (1800mm) and the tall lockers are 85mm high, 55mm wide, 25mm deep whilst the smaller lockers are 45mm high, 80mm wide and 35mm deep. I felt that building each individual locker, I would be able to add far greater detail than as provided via a mould. For instance, the gap beneath the handles would be filled using resin.

This model was originally planned as a full scratch build with only the stanchions being store bought. I like many others on the forum,  enjoy scratch building a model and if you look at other scratch built warships, you can see the detail built into the model. Mind you, I don't compare myself with these chaps as they are in a league of their own - but maybe one day.........

Thanks for your kind thoughts and ideas are always welcome....

Martin du

[Martin13]

Dicky and Bluebird,

The swmbo felt sorry for me in the shed whilst I was building the lockers so she let me into the house and am now building on the edge of the dining room table - never thought I would see the day.
My wife has the same idea as you Dicky, she thinks I'm crazy and I think I'm heading in that direction. As you can appreciate with so many bits, work has slowed a little and think that I need another couple of weeks to complete the lockers.

I sat the lockers on the model the other day and must admit - they do look good.

John, how many do you need at 1:96 ? I'm getting pretty good at this


Thanks everybody for your kind comments - I need all the encouragement I can get - or it's the nut house

Martin du 

[DickyD]

John, how many do you need at 1:96 ? I'm getting pretty good at this


Thanks everybody for your kind comments - I need all the encouragement I can get - or it's the nut house

Martin du  

Definately barmy.

[Martin (Admin)]

Side discussion on the original ,

What was the superstructure made from?
And why so many compound curves?

[Martin13]

Side discussion on the original ,

What was the superstructure made from?
And why so many compound curves?

Martin,

Hull was built from timber over an aluminium framework. As far as I know the superstructure was timber as well but not 100% certain, as for the curves a right pain to construct. CDSC123 would be the man to ask this question..

Martin du

[Martin13]

Finally completed all the ammo lockers and for effect, placed them on my hull - must admit - they do look good.

Now that I have gone totally looney, think I'll have a break for a week or two and do something different.

By the way, as it turned out, I apparently built one locker too many - anybody in the market for "One 1/16th scale two door Ammo Locker"

A couple of pics

Martin du

[Martin13]

And a couple more..........



Martin doon under

[andrewh]

Martindu

From the Ammo boxes you have clearly mastered the plasticard assembly
I have just been reading the last few pages and noticed your vicissitudes (can I say that?) with plasticard and the doors

I suspect it is now quite irrelevant but the advice to leave anything to glue for an hour is terrible overkill.  If you have the parts in good contact - wick solvent into the joint with a paintbrush (that you don't care about) the joint will be self-holding within 2 minutes or so. 
Easiest glueing jig is your non-brush hand , second easiest is narrow strips of insulating tape holding the joint tightly together

But I'm sure you have perfected your welding technique
Love the build and the boat - how about one of the model turboshafts  - or three -  to power it and get the authentic smell of (largely unburnt) paraffin/kerosene

andrew

[rsm]

Hi Martin,

Changing the subject slightly. How is your Fleetscale Vanguard coming along?

Roger.

[Martin13]

Thanks Andrewh,

The construction of the Ammo Lockers were a good introduction to using Plasticard. After having glued about 1500 small individual parts, I now feel reasonably confident in attempting superstructure parts on my Vanguard - it's been an experience.

Don't know about building the 3 Proteus engines out of Plasticard but the last challenge will be those 40mm Bofors. Again due to scale, I wish to construct with as much detail as possible. In the next few weeks I will probably go back to detailing the bridge area now that I have received more Plastruct profiles from the USA...

Roger - Fleetscale Vanguard - swmbo asked the same question. Currently, only the 4 prop shafts and rudder are installed. As a break from BB, I intend to start the forward superstructure this weekend but finding everything is SO SMALL. I think she would look better and easier to build at 1:72 scale (about 3400mm long and in the pipeline )

Martin du

[andi4x4]

Hi Martin,

Can't believe it is 15 months since I last posted on this forum !

 She's looking good ! Love the lockers - I have some parts made up for mine that I am planning to make moulds from in order to cast the lockers I need - I dont have the patience to make them all out of plasticard like you !

Your transom flap has given me the incentive to get on and do some more on mine - if I can find the space !

[Martin13]

Hi all - Yes , I'm back.

2009 was a busy year. As mentioned previously, swmbo allowed me to do some work on the dining room table, but after several months and me slowly taking over more of the table (no room to eat my dinner) swmbo suggested I move into one of the vacant bedrooms-What a smashing idea. Now I have plenty of room and can bring in more bits and pieces.

After the locker construction and needing a break from BB, I began construction of the forward superstructure for my fleetscale HMS Vanguard. Vanguard is very fiddly being 128th scale, seemed like I was never going to get it right even with all the photo's I had collected but finally succeeded. Very small but does look good.

Back to BB. I have been working on the open bridge section and pleased with current results. I'm also working on the Generator Exhaust setup but am not too happy with the main uprights of the exhausts. For these I used 19mm and 25 mm dowels and am having troubles with the wood chipping at the ends. My current thoughts are to go to an electrical supplier and see if I can use electrical PVC conduits instead - I think these will give a better finish. I have made the connecting plates complete with nuts and bolts (made from styrene).

Back to the Open Bridge - At the rear to the bridge, on the floor/deck are several boxes which I have constructed the basic shapes but I have no idea as to what these boxes should look like - that is, the detail as to how the boxes were constructed in real life. for example hinges, closing latches and basic framework of each box. I have not been able to find photos showing the detail to these boxes.
The Vosper plans I'm using detail these boxes as follows:-
a). Signal Flags Box.
b). Stowage for Recognition Lights.
c). Pyrotechnics Locker.
d). Body Armour Locker.
e). Steel Helmet Locker.

These boxes are quite small (probably knee high or there abouts) and the lids open upwards.
I'm asking for your help. Do members have any idea how these boxes might look. Can forum members please post any pics you may have here on my post. I need to add some detail to the boxes as they look very plain in their current state.

In the next week or so (when I find where the woman hid the camera) I will post some pics.

Thanks in advance.

Martin doon under

[Peter Fitness]

Hi Martin, I was beginning to think you had left us  At least it would be much better down your way than this time last year.

I'm sure we look forward to seeing your progress, when you find the camera, that is

Peter.

[perkasaman]

Hi Martin, You've inspired a lot of modellers  Here's a few rare clips to enjoy. These were impressive boats. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV8Exhc359o

[Gra]

Hi Martin,

Is your boat going to go as fast as the Youtube boats.

Have not seen you at Surrey Park for some time.

Graham

[DickyD]

Wheres the pictures of your KGV Martin ?

[Martin13]

Peter - glad to see the end of 2009 - Bushfires, Swine Flu, and Workplace injuries - arm finally out of plaster and can get back on modelling/forum.

Perkasaman - thanks for the Link - you have a talent in finding all the good stuff on the web.

Graham - I think if I put BB in the water and get it to plane, she will be chasing the ducks in the Surrey Dive carpark. I hope to have water trials around June if all goes well. Sunday's have been very busy of late but I hope to get down there soon.

Dicky- I don't think this is the place for KGV,  but just for you:-

Martin doon under

[Martin13]

Dicky - Note BB's drawings on the back wall - will give you some idea of size - 1:72 scale, 3200mm long

Martin du

[DickyD]

That is nice Martin. You must let us see more.

I keep on at John about Skype, you have a go.

[Martin13]

I had 2 wins this week. I found where the swmbo hid the camera (in her car) and my order of Plastruct arrived from the US as I have been waiting for this in order to proceed with detailing. I tend to use a lot of Plastruct mainly due to the large range of profiles available and I buy it cheaper direct from the manufacturer. Plastruct range is very extensive for when you wish to do detail work as BB requires.

The picture shows most of the lengths purchased but not the profiled sheets etc.

Don't ask what I spent on this lot.

Martin du

[Martin13]

I have been working on the open bridge area and adding detail. I have made the basic shapes of various boxes/lockers that are on the aft section deck floor. Now that my order has arrived, I can continue with detailing. Whilst adding detail to the instrument panel, I noticed something did not look right. The floor/deck appeared too deep. As it turned out, I had to raise the deck by 15mm - now that looks better. I intend to add as much detail as possible to the open bridge so there is a long way to go.

 I'm also looking around for stickers of gauges/dials approximately 3mm to 6 mm in diameter. Should anybody have suggestions as to where I can purchase these, please let me know.

Martin du

[Martin13]

Whilst waiting for my order to arrive, I decided to make a start on the Generator Exhaust as fitted between the lockers on the aft section superstructure.

Basically I used 2mm styrene for the flanges, a mixture of hardwood dowel, balsa and PVC electrical conduit for the round spacer sections and the main body including the duct up to the header/exhaust outlet. For detailing, I cut small sections of 2mm hexagonal profile and glued these to the flanges either side to represent the nuts and bolts then drilled a small hole and glued 1mm round to represent the thread protruding from the nut. I know it's probably going overboard but it's very effective - will look even better when painted.

The header/exhaust outlet - I didn't like the first one I made so have now started on the Mk2 version. this is basically carved out of balsa block, shaped to correct profile and the exhaust outlet lined with some aluminium tubing. I will also need to add some small sections of dowel with flanges added that will connect to the rest of the exhaust system. When I have completed this, I will post more pics..

Martin du