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[roycv]

Hi Peter Hmm. it seems to be a moot point on speeds.  Depends on what you read or see quoted.  I picked up the info I mentioned from a Mark Felton video, I think he said that the 262 could not keep up with th Arado, but with this distance in time difficult, I think he was refering to the PR version of the Arado.

I noticed in passing that the He 162 on a single page from a Google search has 3 quite different top speeds attributed to it.
All fascinating stuff though.
Regards
Roy

[Peter Fitness]

Roy, I did some further research, and according to the Smithsonian Magazine the Arado 234 had a top speed of 456 mph. According to the Air Force Magazine the Me 262 had a top speed of 547 mph. As you say, there are different versions of the aircraft specifications, but the Smithsonian is a respected institution, as is the Air Force Magazine. I have watched several Mark Felton videos on YouTube, and found them both interesting and informative. I guess we may never know for sure, but one thing is certain, for their time, both aircraft were extremely fast.


Peter.

[ddmckee54]

You are forgetting the Heinkel He219 Uhu or doesn't it count because it is not american.

Jim:

No I didn't forget the HE219.  It started it's life as a recognizance aircraft and was later heavily redesigned into a successful night fighter.  The P-61 on the other hand was designed to be a night fighter, and later it was modified for other roles.

Don

[JimG]

Jim:

No I didn't forget the HE219.  It started its life as a reconnaissance aircraft and was later heavily redesigned into a successful night fighter.  The P-61 on the other hand was designed to be a night fighter, and later it was modified for other roles.

Don

While it did have a background as a paper project that was never built or developed the actual 219 was designed from scratch as a night fighter which many class as the best nightfighter of WW2, its main problem being lack of numbers built. (ref William Green's classic Warplanes of the Third Reich)

Jim

[raflaunches]

Captain Eric ‘Winkle’ Brown in his books on his test flights of the aircraft he was tasked to fly didn’t really have a good word about either aircraft! Too big, too heavy and underpowered- especially the He219 which was so underpowered that if you lost an engine you had to bale out (or eject in the He219’s case). There is even doubt that the infamous shooting down of six Mosquito aircraft in one night by one aircraft is fiction as records don’t show that many losses in one night for Mosquito bombers or night fighters.
I’m not knocking the aircraft as both are fantastic to look at and did introduce new features into aircraft design.

[Martin (Admin)]

Not a favourite aircraft as such, but we stared in awe at small pictures, in books, when we kids....
 .... now look at what is publicly available on 'tinternet!!
 
There is enough info here, for a few of us to go find one of these planes, 'borrow it' and take it for a joyride!   
( You up for it Nick?! )


Super Guppy Walkaround Documentary[/b]


https://youtu.be/DMYS070bioE

[Peter.D]

Probably going to be met by groans of oh no not another one but
Supermarine Spitfire Mk8 Merlin engine and the retractable tail wheel
 2 engines of course is the Mosquito

[Circlip]

Ditto Peter but the MK9 Spit. After seeing it fly at Mildenhall, had to add the SR71.


  Regards  Ian.

[derekwarner]

Many years ago [1983?], and for work .......Sydney to Perth, then a Fokker F28 by MacRobinson Miller   .....from Perth to Dampier nonstop

[MMA's one Class, but equivalent to today's First Class ]..... then on the return flight a week later was a 'Milk Run Flight' stopping at 3 or 4 smaller Airports on the way back to Perth..............

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacRobertson_Miller_Airlines


Derek

[Shipmate60]

Mk9 Spitfire after having a flight and flying her.
In my opinion nothing in the sky to touch her!!


Bob

[Martin (Admin)]

 
Found this on Facebook .... ( fact or fiction?!? )

The F-15C (63'9") is almost as long as the B-17 (74'4"), despite carrying just one airman as compared to the B-17's ten.




Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress
Length: 74 ft 4 in (22.66 m)

Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor
Length: 62 ft 1 in (18.92 m)

[Mike S]

I've always admired the aircraft of the Bristol Aircraft Co. my all time favourite  has to be Bristol Beaufighter. Before being superseded by the superlative De Haviland Mosquito, (the 'Mossie'), it did the hard yards in the grim early years of WWII, as a heavy fighter, a night fighter, and attacking enemy shipping off the enemy coasts of Europe, equipped with rockets and torpedo's. I've always liked it's pugnacious looks.
 

[John W E]

hi, when we were kids, you may remember - we used to build Airfix model aeroplanes and hang them from the ceiling when they were finished, with thread.  Not 10 minutes away from where Martin Mayhem lives, they have gone to the extreme - real ones are hanging from the ceiling.   Had a good day there at Duxford whilst on holiday in that area.   Too many aircraft there to say which one is my favourite, but, I do like the TSR2, The Harrier, Short Sunderland that was really impressive and then there was the American Warthog there....too many to mention.   Great place to visit.  Anyone gets the chance, believe me it is well worth it.


John

[mrlownotes]

A folded A4 size piece of paper.

[KitS]

I was lucky enough to be on the airfield when the very last Concorde flight touched down at Filton. That certainly brought a tear to most people's eyes. The heavens opened whilst we were waiting and we all got drenched and I remember the radio Gloucester commentator saying "the skies are weeping for Concorde."  Photo slightly edited to include that other iconic British aircraft that gave a fantastic display over Filton just before Concorde came in.

I've been ploughing through this entire thread over the last two days and it's very interesting.


This post from RMH piqued my interest as I was there too, and did it EVER rain! As RMH says, we all got soaked, but no-one moved a jot till G-BOAF had landed. No-one moved to such an extent that they had to close the A38 at the runway's end, and it's a dual-carriageway at that point!


What a day to remember.


[Later] I've tried three times to add the pic of G-BOAF and the Spitfire XIX to this post but it just WON'T show up!!!!! 

[tigertiger]

I usually click on 'Attachments and other options'
Then the Attach:
and hit the (Choose File) button and select my file

My photos are not huge files and I find this quick and easy.

[KitS]

That's exactly what I did, but it didn't work. 

[Mike S]

Living fairly locally I managed a visit to the RAF Museum in North London last week for the first time in years. It's a brilliant day out, 5 large hangers, and some re-purposed buildings from the old Grahame-White aircraft factory from the first decades of the 20th century. Possibly the site, with its first private airfield in 1911, represents the birthplace of British aviation. There are a large number of  exhibits detailing the first 100 years of the RAF, and did I mention it has an ace cafe.


As I said previously I've always admired the designs of the Bristol Aircraft Co. and the photo is of the museum's Bristol Bulldog, which was the archetypical RAF single-seater biplane fighter of the inter-war years, they weren't phased out until mid-1937.


The second photo is of an early, (very early!), a 'flight simulator' used to train RFC aviators in 1914/1915, rather them than me!