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[cdsc123]

S-L went out of business years ago, shortly after a merger with Sowester. Lewmar currently market S-L windlasses so perhaps this is what Arrow was referring to?
The photo of MTB523 is one of a series of promo shots issued by Vosper (now VTL Ltd) and it has been very widely used in numerous publications in the intervening 63 years. I'm sure they'd have no problem with it appearing here.

[warspite]

The type two - is that after the type modelled by airfix, that has 4 tubes and a twin 20mm cannon, the picture appears to have two tubes but a more modern forward gun?

[John W E]

Hi all



MTB 523 was a vosper 73 ft MTB,completed in july 1945 the first contract type 11boat .Displacing 49 tons ,she was powered by three Packard engines giving her a top speed of 40 knots she was armed with a 6 pounder forward ,machine guns, oerlikons and two 18 inch torpedo tubes. She had type 268 radar (ppi type ) on her mast .she was renumbered MTB1023 but was lost in an explosion at Aarhus on 17 May 1953

aye

john e

bluebird

[cdsc123]

Hi Warspite
The photo shows MTB 523 on builders trials, she was a 73ft type II as you say. The 73ft type I is what you find in an Airfix kit (and jolly good it is too).
The type I was the logical follow-on from the previous 70ft boats, which had gained gun armament and electronic aids during refits as the war wore on.
Thus the type I boats were quite well armed as built, in addition to 4 18" torpedos (as opposed to the far larger and heavier pair of 21" used by the 70-footers) they had a powerful twin 20mm Oerlikon on a MKIX mounting with bandstand forward and two twin gas operated .303 Vickers MGs on each aft tube. The boats of this design were MTBs 379 (the prototype) and MTBs 380-395. The contract for the type II boats was awarded at a time when there were fewer worthy torpedo targets and so the forward tubes were ditched in order to save weight so that the mighty 6-pounder quick-firing MKIIA gun on a power operated MKVII mount could be fitted forward. The 20mm set-up was moved aft, on a MKXII mounting. Unfortunately none of these boats saw WWII service, as they would certainly have been the most effective Vosper short-boats of the war. They did however continue to serve in the RN for a number of years in a number of roles.    

[Eric65]

Here is the Airfix model, for comparison.....built some years ago!!

[warspite]

as a child i built one and the german 's' boat, only the original 's'boat survives, although i have another that needs a refit (to slow and power hungry), the new build is for two airfix vospers hence my attempts at selecting the running gear.

[Reade Models]

S-L went out of business years ago

I did write to what I thought was Simpson-Lawrence to ask for permission to reproduce parts of the catalogue on the Forum, but after cdsc123's post I checked again and find that the company that located on the internet and wrote to was actually S-L Spares Ltd. - not the same company.

On the basis that the catalogue that I have is very old, and although undated would in all likeyhood be out of copyright by now anyway under the 70 year rule, that a catalogue by it's very nature would be in the public domain, and that the original publisher, Simpson-Lawrence Limited no longer exists (having checked with Companies House - Confirmed, Simpson-Lawrence Limited does not exist).

Also that the display of content of the catalogue on the Forum would be of historical interest only and wouldn't advantage anybody financially or be for pecuniary gain, I think it wouldn't be unreasonable for me to scan some of the content and post it on a new thread?

If anybody objects to this proposal, please state those objections here and I will take note of them before making a final decision.  Martin's input would also be appreciated.

Regards, Malc

[RickF]

Malc,

On the basis that you are only reproducing part of the catalogue, you are not doing it for gain and you are publishing it to a limited audience, I don't think any reasonable person can object.

Rick

[Reade Models]

Thanks RickF.

Any other comments chaps?

Malc

[Bunkerbarge]

Yes.....If anyone objects, ignore them!! ::)

[djrobbo]

AS has been said before ...publish and be dammed.....i for one am looking forward to seeing it.......do it malc ...do it !

[Reade Models]

Patience!

I have to try to remember how to get the image sizes down to 256K bytes.

Malc

[banjo]

Don't ever 'copy' other peoples work it's simply not fair,would you be happy if someone copied your work? i think not! its seems to be ok  on this forum to copy lets say a cd or pass on a plan that another person has worked hard to create,copying is wrong lets not have any double standards!!

This Gent jumped onto his high moral horse a bit quick..... Have I missed his dis mount?

[Reade Models]

Hi banjo

I certainly haven't seen it.

Malc

[banjo]

 :)......

'prolly busy teaching his Granny to suck eggs.....

[Martin (Admin)]

I have to try to remember how to get the image sizes down to 256K bytes.

Malc

I use this all the time now...... http://bluefive.pair.com/pixresizer.htm