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mikeyh

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What boats can a railway modeller make?
« on: September 18, 2008, 07:24:14 pm »

I am about to start building a G scale garden railway after a year of making all the buildings,rolling stock and track. It will be of a french village with a paper mill alongside a river.I can build the river (approx 5 metres long) but i would like a couple of boats just moored on it.Perhaps a rowing boat or two and a barge that would have delivered/collected from the papermill. Bearing in mind that the line is set in 1910, can anyone recommend any suitable kits, plans etc  that can be constructed by a total boat virgin!!
Many thanks

Mikey
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Re: What boats can a railway modeller make?
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2008, 07:52:51 pm »

Hello Mikey,

You will need to look at boats around 1/22 to 1/24 scale. There are quite a few boat kits at 1/24 but not many for the 1910 period, or French (I believe). One that might be suitable would be the Mountfleet Models Highland Scottish Coaster (their Puffer model) which is to 1/24 scale, which could be made to look more contenental than its Scottish origins. However, 1/22 is the closer scale to G scale so this would be just a shade too large. Fishing boat models are often built to 1/24 scale as well. Another possibility would be to scratchbuild using a commercially available hull and plans (such as those offered by Kingston mouldings) and if the model didn't need to be powered the construction of the boat would be much easier.

Cheers
Simon  :)
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mikeyh

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Re: What boats can a railway modeller make?
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2008, 10:31:34 pm »

thanks simon. Yes i model in 1/22.5 so 1/24 is in fact smaller, but that may not be a problem. I am confident i could make it look more french and ,if as you say its easier if its not powered;that would be all to the good!! cheers i'll have a look at those you recommended.

mikey
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Re: What boats can a railway modeller make?
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2008, 10:53:35 pm »

A ship for a model railway? Not a ferry difficult question.
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Re: What boats can a railway modeller make?
« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2008, 02:18:26 am »

A bit of lateral thinking here.

One of the ships could be a derelict boat. You could buy any of a number of period hulls. Then design and scale the supersturcture to 'G' scale.
A couple of photographs from the period would show you how the deckhouses were arranged.

By scaling I mean, for example a schooner type hull could be used to make a 1/10 scale fishing boat with a single mast, or a 1/24 scale two masted schoooner.

As the model would be of a derelict you can age her a lot. You won.t need to worry about deck fittings as they would have been stripped, you only need to make holes where the missing item was and weather a bit more lightly.
If she is a sailing vessel you won't need to worry about rigging, just geve her a mast and I assume the spars would soon be salvaged as well.

If you really wanted to go all out you could scratch buid a hull, and if the planks don't fit well that would also work as the caulking would eventually rot away, and you could also have some missing planks.

This would also be in period as wooden sailing boats were still common, but were already being phased out for steel and diesel.

Like I said, off the wall thinking.
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Re: What boats can a railway modeller make?
« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2008, 08:29:37 am »

Hello again Mikey!

I realised what a plonker I'd been in my first posting to you! Of course 1/24 is smaller than 1/22 scale! My brain saw the larger figure and put two and two together and came out with rubbish! Sorry about that...

Cheers
Simon  :embarrassed:
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mikeyh

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Re: What boats can a railway modeller make?
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2008, 10:07:19 am »

Not a problem Simon. I tried to be diplomatic pointing it out! thanks again

mikey
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Re: What boats can a railway modeller make?
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2008, 10:41:09 am »

Have a look at the Mayhem main site, click "Your models", then scroll down to "Laurent".  There are some nice scalable plans for a tug there with variations for UK, US and "continental" variations.
A look at
  http://www.georgeturnermodels.com/
should turn up something useful - he does both rail and sail.
Exact matching scale with the railway should not be a great worry - I have seen exhibition 4mm layouts with a 1/100 ship model that didn't look out of place.  If there is more than one ship, obviously they need to be a very similar scale.
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Re: What boats can a railway modeller make?
« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2008, 10:52:33 am »

thanks Malcolm(?) Superb. 'Laurent' has just the right amount of character, and plans as well!!

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Re: What boats can a railway modeller make?
« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2008, 10:58:37 am »

Have a look at the Mayhem main site, click "Your models", then scroll down to "Laurent".  There are some nice scalable plans for a tug there with variations for UK, US and "continental" variations.
A look at
  http://www.georgeturnermodels.com/
should turn up something useful - he does both rail and sail.
Exact matching scale with the railway should not be a great worry - I have seen exhibition 4mm layouts with a 1/100 ship model that didn't look out of place.  If there is more than one ship, obviously they need to be a very similar scale.

I have just seen Georger Turner does  'G' scale waterline models of  fishing boats.  Wrong period though.

http://www.georgeturnermodels.com/index.php?page=shopping&shop_cat_id=45
http://www.georgeturnermodels.com/index.php?page=shopping&shop_cat_id=55


and a working model at 'G;scale
http://www.georgeturnermodels.com/index.php?page=shopping&shop_cat_id=54

I never knew that.
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Re: What boats can a railway modeller make?
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2008, 11:23:03 am »

There are the free plans for French rowing boats of the period etc. on their Ministere de Defense site. Also, you could check on the MRB (French Model Boat Magazine) web site/forum for other stuff.

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mikeyh

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Re: What boats can a railway modeller make?
« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2008, 12:17:28 pm »

thanks tonyh.Thats a brilliant site for free plans. how on earth did you discover they were there on the ministre de defense site?

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Re: What boats can a railway modeller make?
« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2008, 03:41:13 pm »

I'm a railway and boat modeller. I gathered together all the Puffer kit details I could fins and put them on this page:

www.pagenumberone.co.uk/layouts/puffers/models.htm

Boats are pretty big though and so you might find the G scale selection limited.

Good Luck

Phil

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mikeyh

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Re: What boats can a railway modeller make?
« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2008, 04:06:38 pm »

Thanks Phil. Yes largescale is a bit limited but as long as I've got a good pic I can scratchbuild and theres some good pics on your pageone.

mikey
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Re: What boats can a railway modeller make?
« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2008, 06:22:37 pm »

More through luck than judgement!

One French boat of the period I have built in miniature for a friend of mine who sailed on her is Jolie Brise which is a sail pilot cutter built in Le Havre in 1913. I was lucky enough to borrow plans from one of the other members of the forum.
She is still around in the Tall Ships Race flotilla so if you go to www.joliebrise.com you'll see the real thing.

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