Topic: Cruise ship (Read 6901 times)

Wolfmann · « **on:** July 28, 2006, 02:34:06 am »

I am looking for plans to build a cruise ship from scrap. I have been ask to build this for a friend and he has some thoughts as to what he wants now it is my job to show him what he can afford. If anybody has some info who has this type of plan I would be grateful for the information.
Wolfmann

Seaspray · « **Reply #1 on:** July 28, 2006, 08:08:06 am »

Start trawling through Model Boats Plan Service. There ofline at this time but there are plan books to purchase. Also Traplet Publication is an other source (ie Marine Modeller). You can inform your friend that building from scratch you pay as you go along for wood a little at a time. Unlike a kit where a great deal is paid at once. Then there is Ebay some plans are available there.

Martin

Colin Bishop · « **Reply #2 on:** July 28, 2006, 09:33:39 am »

If it's intended to be a working model then you need to take care! Modern cruise ships are built high and are of shallow draught which gives rise to stability issues if you model them to scale. There is less of a problem with modern traditional liner types which were more deep draughted.

Seaspray · « **Reply #3 on:** July 28, 2006, 10:10:57 am »

Stability problems are over come by building light on the top (PLASTICARD) above Main Deck and internal fittings as low as possible to the inside of the hull. Being a displacement hull It wiil need a lot of ballast to get her down to the right waterline. Between the two, a fair amount of stability will be gained. I've also seen boats that have clip on ballast weights fitted when in the water taken off when out. Alternatively if you can modify the hull to a flat bottom one, you will have more room (area) for ballast. This flat hull will assist in stability in itself.

Martin

Colin Bishop · « **Reply #4 on:** July 28, 2006, 10:19:50 am »

Quite true, Seaspray but remember that the wind can also have an effect - on full size ships as well as models!

Seaspray · « **Reply #5 on:** July 28, 2006, 11:56:17 am »

Yes the wind is a problem at times, especially at Mote Park Kent. This is another situation to contend with, hopefully it won't put our friend of sailing his liner. Don't you think the builder could build from a kit and have his friend involved. After all there is great enjoyment in the building of models. We won't discuse the pitfalls as they are challanges to overcome.

Martin

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White Ensign · « **Reply #6 on:** July 28, 2006, 12:26:09 pm »

Wolfmann, just have a look at www.vth.de. They have a nice selection of plans for cruisers of all sizes. It`s woth a visit anyway.

Jörg

Colin Bishop · « **Reply #7 on:** July 28, 2006, 05:16:08 pm »

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We won't discuse the pitfalls as they are challenges to overcome

Quite right again. However I remember, many years ago, one of our club members built a kit of the river passenger steamer Bohuslan - think it might have been a Billings one. He was a newcomer to modelling and made a lovely job of it. We all gathered around as he put it in the water and it promptly fell over. It was too top heavy. I wouldn't wish that on anyone if it could be avoided by a bit of friendly advice in advance.

dougal99 · « **Reply #8 on:** July 28, 2006, 08:52:24 pm »

Quote from: Colin Bishop on July 28, 2006, 05:16:08 pm

as he put it in the water and it promptly fell over. It was too top heavy. I wouldn't wish that on anyone if it could be avoided by a bit of friendly advice in advance.

Always test/first launch your boat alone preferably in the bath or garden pond. Failing that get to the lake early or late in the evening. You can always cry alone . :'( :'(

JMO

Cheers

Doug

Colin Bishop · « **Reply #9 on:** July 28, 2006, 08:57:50 pm »

Maybe, but it's always handy to have somebody to support your sobbing frame as you stagger back to the carpark with an empty boat stand.... :'(

dougal99 · « **Reply #10 on:** July 28, 2006, 09:04:20 pm »

Perhaps I should have added...

in a shallow area of the pond... ::)

Cheers

Doug

Seaspray · « **Reply #11 on:** July 29, 2006, 10:08:18 am »

Hi Jorg
Had a look at the site you threaded. Could you point me in the right direction of the site for the plan section ?

Martin

White Ensign · « **Reply #12 on:** August 04, 2006, 01:20:20 pm »

Hi Martin, sorry for the delay ::)
Here we go!
http://www.vth.de/shop/shopfiles/shoppage.asp?TID=5NYHSRF6HGAR214668891&showcat=1&ps=1&tmpl=table&cid=74&sparte=2

Jörg

Seaspray · « **Reply #13 on:** August 04, 2006, 01:53:11 pm »

Jorg
Thought you had fallen out with me . l.o.l

Thanks some lovely boats

Cheers

Martin

warspite · « **Reply #14 on:** August 05, 2006, 12:28:12 am »

North West Model Boat Club had a member who loved making paddle steamers (largest was reportedly 25 feet long and was operator controlled - in fact at the ellesmere show, one of the other members sat in it and sailed it up and down to the top lock, apparently they had to take his front window out to remove it from his front room), anyway all his boats wre mainly constructed frrom uhu glue and cereal boxes!.

In hearing this i buit a castle class corvette based cardboard boat hull as a test project which i will try and post a picture of, without priming the outside and no ballast it sat in the water by about 15 to 20mm, it has a double bottom keel i.e. flat inside equipment deck with a lattice section tapering from the keel to the sides and then covered with cardboard keel that is made from the type you find on the back of A4 writing pads, so there is an air gap between.

Your guess is as good as mine if this can be used to support the running gear with capsizing.

warspite · « **Reply #15 on:** August 20, 2006, 01:06:54 am »

here are a few pictures of the cardboard test hull

warspite · « **Reply #16 on:** August 20, 2006, 01:08:45 am »

and the final three

the last two show the proposed seaking i was going to fit

Seaspray · « **Reply #17 on:** August 20, 2006, 07:38:43 am »

You can always revert to an external ballast weight if need be.

Which can be made to be deep below the hull.

Martin

warspite · « **Reply #18 on:** August 20, 2006, 08:31:08 pm »

My plans with this are to skin with a thick cardboard taking care to keep the left and right sides equal (that will be difficult with my skills) filling the gaps with thinner card until it is smooth, then fit out the deck and complete the superstructure which is half done, i suppose i dont need to worry too much about what it looks like, it is only the first attempt at scratch build, and it only a recovery vessel all being said, anyway though i have no chance of getting to jimmy woods standard.

Seaspray · « **Reply #19 on:** August 21, 2006, 02:43:14 pm »

He was there, where you think you are now at one time. Keep the interest going, thats 3/4 of the build quality.

Martin

warspite · « **Reply #20 on:** August 21, 2006, 10:47:56 pm »

yea but i dont get much time to work on them, too many jobs from the swmbo - decorating, work, lack of funds, lack of everything actually.

Seaspray · « **Reply #21 on:** August 22, 2006, 05:00:09 pm »

me to on 12 hour shifts at the moment but its money at the end of the day to pay for modelling.

Ain't it got costly lately boat modelling ?

Martin

warspite · « **Reply #22 on:** August 30, 2006, 06:36:16 pm »

Just been in the loft, clearing out and amalgamating boxes to clear some space (looks like i am going to be bannished to the loft for building), found 3 Matchbox 1/72nd Scale Sea Harriers for converting, they are to have nav lights fitted like my other two or is it three, but i also noticed that two are still cellophane wrapped and that may make them worth something in a few years, also found a PK507 a very large scale Puma chopper 1/34 again this was to have rotating rotors, but not sure what is was going on.

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