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Tin Rib

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Propeller & Rudder Weed Guard?
« on: October 06, 2008, 11:09:28 pm »

Hello,

I am new to this site and wonder if there is anyone out there who may be able to answer my question. I am running a small rc boat in a pond which contains surface weed and lily pads. I have tried various methods to construct a weed guard for the prop and rudder to stop weed and other debris entering the propeller and 'snagging' it (as you can tell I am a little peeved with having to take a fishing rod to get my boat back!) I am sure many of you have had the same issue as I currently have or indeed have seen it happen when boating!!
I have tried a 6" length of 2 1/4" diameter PCV-u plastic plumbing tube suitably cut to fix along the bottom of the boat (Off the shelf Nikko Waverunner) and further sections of the pipe removed to allow water to enter the tube freely, the tube is also lined with car body repair aluminium mesh to stop smaller pieces of debris getting through. However this seriously constricts the boats performance and manouverability. Is there any way to alleviate this problem, if someone knows the answer to then please let me know as scratching my head has caused a rather large patch of hair to fall out (that's my excuse anyway!) ....


Thanking you all very much for any advice you may be able to offer

Alec
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Re: Propeller & Rudder Weed Guard?
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2008, 09:10:57 am »

Unfortunatly, the only way to avoid weed... is to avoid weed.

I've tried a local pond that had lots of weed just below the surface... never again.  :(
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Re: Propeller & Rudder Weed Guard?
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2008, 12:48:08 pm »

Mother nature, in her infinite bounty, always finds a way.  As soon as you devise a workable device to keep one kind of weed away from your prop, she will provide another type of weed.  Clearing that will normally involve dismantling your device.
Paddlers seem effective in most weedy situations, as do airboats and hovercraft.
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Re: Propeller & Rudder Weed Guard?
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2008, 01:19:42 pm »


Hi Alex,
Is this the one?



It's a nice entry level boats but as you've found out it's no weed eater!  :-\
You could try beefing up the motors, batteries etc. but it's going to cost more than it's worth.

Some of the more powerful model boats either try to fly over them of just chomp them up by brute force.
You can never win with weeds... there are just more of them than us!

For your next boat, I would suggest:
Model Slipway Club500
Robbe Paula III
... or even run and then upgrade a 'High Wind Racing Boat 30"' (like I am!)




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Re: Propeller & Rudder Weed Guard?
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2008, 03:30:50 pm »

This is the type of small RC boat that I have the weed snagging trouble with (attachment)! Mine must be an older model but the prop and rudder layout is nigh on identical.

I would avoid this pond but am quite determined to resolve the problem or at the very least alleviate the issue of weed/debris/duck feathers entering the drive system of a standard propeller drive system.

I have had marked success with a piece of plumbing pipe used as a weed guard to provide a cover for the propeller, especially when holes are drilled through the pipe in certain areas. I did remove quite a lot of plastic from the tube and fitted the Aluminium car body repair mesh but this reduced performance dramatically (probably due to the small hole diameter within the mesh). Both types of tube (drilled or mesh) still do not allow for steering via rudder unless the rudder is clear of the added plastic tube which really defeats the object I think!

It is a little difficult to explain clearly so I will post some pictures of my cobbled together propeller tube for your review! Thank you all for your invaluable advice so far, I am dealing with a problem which I had never even thought about before!

Oh, can anyone explain the following words/phrases I have picked up whilst looking at this problem:   

KORT EFFECT?

TORQUE TUBE RUDDER SYSTEM?


Thanks for your advice

Alec

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Re: Propeller & Rudder Weed Guard?
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2008, 09:30:36 pm »

Kort nozzels are great for increasing the efficiency of a large prop at low speed, but as speed builds the drag introduced by the wetted surface of the Kort overcomes the benefits.  As the flow of water is unimpeded, the flow of whatever is in the water is also unimpeded, until it finds the prop.
A counter rotating arrangement with the blades very close together might mince the weed.  Achieving this is way beyond me, but if patented and a commercial success, I claim a divi, otherwise somebody else said it.
At relatively low speeds, I had some modest success with a simple bar pointing down directly before the prop (OK, it was a nail) that acted to deflect the offending weed out of the water flow.  Mostly.
On a long ago model I tried a mesh cage, but found that as "my" pond was beloved of dogs being taken for walkies, dog hairs would go straight through and turn the prop into something resembling a furball.  Speed was severely reduced due to the resistance of the mesh cage, and probably also to the reduced area available for water flow.
As far as rudders go, have the front face swept back, and avoid having the hook effect at the top by using a deflector wire.
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Re: Propeller & Rudder Weed Guard?
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2008, 10:12:24 pm »

Weed  >>:-( I have ASD's (kort nozzels that turn 360) and the added trust just pulls the ###### weed straight into the prop then I end up with twin blobs of green thrashing around doing nothing.

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Re: Propeller & Rudder Weed Guard?
« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2008, 10:04:38 am »

I think I'm with Martin here - the effort and cost are likely to be greater than an entry level boat is worth. As I see it, the only way to stop the week problem will be to stop water getting to the prop completely - which is going to slow the boat down quite a bit ! Weed can be incredibly thin, sometimes thinner than human hair but a long strand of it will still stop rotation on a low powered boat.

Here's a couple of suggestions:
  • For very fine mesh try either the K&S Metals rack in any model shop. I think there is something here. Or Model Engineering suppliers as that do fine gauze. Or using the stuff from metal t-strainers.
  • Build an airboat.

Phil
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Re: Propeller & Rudder Weed Guard?
« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2008, 12:34:25 pm »

The simplest way spray the pond with 10/80 it will remove the weed..................

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Re: Propeller & Rudder Weed Guard?
« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2008, 02:19:57 pm »

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Re: Propeller & Rudder Weed Guard?
« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2008, 07:00:04 pm »

Weed  >>:-( I have ASD's (kort nozzels that turn 360) and the added trust just pulls the ###### weed straight into the prop then I end up with twin blobs of green thrashing around doing nothing.

r,

cough cough you have weak motors lol  {-)
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Re: Propeller & Rudder Weed Guard?
« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2008, 11:28:33 pm »

Weed  >>:-( I have ASD's (kort nozzels that turn 360) and the added trust just pulls the ###### weed straight into the prop then I end up with twin blobs of green thrashing around doing nothing.

r,

cough cough you have weak motors lol  {-)

Are you offering to try and stop them by hand?  :D

5 blade brass sort of hurt if you do try (not that I did but I did screw them on via the controller  :embarrassed:  )
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Re: Propeller & Rudder Weed Guard?
« Reply #12 on: October 10, 2008, 11:57:00 pm »

Weed  >>:-( I have ASD's (kort nozzels that turn 360) and the added trust just pulls the ###### weed straight into the prop then I end up with twin blobs of green thrashing around doing nothing.

r,

cough cough you have weak motors lol  {-)

Are you offering to try and stop them by hand?  :D

5 blade brass sort of hurt if you do try (not that I did but I did screw them on via the controller  :embarrassed:  )

Lol

You have brass props on your tito?
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Re: Propeller & Rudder Weed Guard?
« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2008, 08:39:46 am »

Much as we can talk around this issue for some time it is one of those inevitable facts of life that you simply cannot avoid.  To have the most efficient propeller you need to allow the best possible unimpeded flow of water across it and any device that gets in the way of this can only reduce the props efficiency.

You can come up with means of keeping weed out of props but if they are effective all they are going to do it to collect weed and create an empedance to water flow.

I'm afraid you really can't get away from the laws of natrure and unless you are going to run a model that has a big enough prop and motor to be able to cut up the weed and destroy it then your only alternative is to sail in clean water.  Any form of guard, deflection, filter etc...etc... is going to affect performance and the pay off is the effectiveness of the device will be directly related to the loss of water flow over the prop.

You may be determined to resolve the problem but I really think your time would be better spent on something more productive and in with a chance of success.
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Re: Propeller & Rudder Weed Guard?
« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2008, 10:33:03 am »

Bunkerbarge is right.  You need to look at the kind of boats that sail water prone to weed.  You get airboats for speed, paddlers for the rest.
Waterjets sometines get used, but these need a sel-cleaning screen.  Its all down to waterflow to get performance, and any filter will reduce that flow.
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Re: Propeller & Rudder Weed Guard?
« Reply #15 on: October 12, 2008, 03:04:54 am »

cough cough you have weak motors lol  {-)

Are you offering to try and stop them by hand?  :D

5 blade brass sort of hurt if you do try (not that I did but I did screw them on via the controller  :embarrassed:  )
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Lol

You have brass props on your tito?
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In A word YES  O0 :-))
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Re: Propeller & Rudder Weed Guard?
« Reply #16 on: October 12, 2008, 09:18:10 pm »

 %% hehe i love that!!!

Where, how and WoW!! i did think about gettin some of the stock ones made in something metal or brass but i kinda moved onto anoth hobby for abit  ::)

Can you put a linky up please or how much they cost :)

All the best

P.s i think tug of war would be better  {-)
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Re: Propeller & Rudder Weed Guard?
« Reply #17 on: October 13, 2008, 06:47:35 am »

Have a look at the thread     Re: ASD schottle drives problems

My props came from GSITEK shafts were made by a local dry dock

R,  :-))
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