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Duke

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cheddar Gemini
« on: October 25, 2008, 02:49:12 pm »

Can anybody tell me which way the engine rotates looking from the flywheel end with the reversing lever to the left? mine goes clockwise is this correct?

thanks

Duke
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Bunkerbarge

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Re: cheddar Gemini
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2008, 07:47:20 pm »

We need to find someone who has one of these engines Duke, I'm afraid I have quite a few others but not a Gemini.

If you get no response try the same questions at this forum who have a very active model boat steam section:

http://www.paddleducks.co.uk/
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wideawake

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Re: cheddar Gemini
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2008, 08:09:10 pm »

I've got two!   However neither is within reach ATM (150 miles away).   I really can't remember for sure without looking.   However isn't the easiest answer to put a bit of air through it and see which  way it goes.   Plus AFAIK it runs equally well either way so you just set the gear to get the prop to turn the way you want.  The right way becomes Forward and the other one reverse!

I'll be at the moorings (workshop!) next Thursday so if you still need an answer then I'll check.

Cheers

Guy
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Bunkerbarge

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Re: cheddar Gemini
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2008, 08:23:46 pm »

Guy, If you read Dukes other thread on this board you'll see his problem!
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wideawake

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Re: cheddar Gemini
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2008, 08:32:13 pm »

Hi BB

Ah yes I see!   At least I think I do.   I'll put some compressed air through the one which is not in a boat and see which way it goes when I get the chance.   I'm not sure from the other thread why it won't run both ways though unless something drastic has happened to the valve settings when Duke dismantled  the valve chests.   BTW Duke, if you're going to try a new (rather tight) engine on compressed air, I'd suggest a squirt of oil down the steam inlet and running it pretty slowly.  Once on steam the cylinders 'll get lubricated via the displacement lubricator on the side of the engine which you top up with steam oil, not ordinary 3in1.  If you already knew all that sorry, but given that it sounds as if it seized beacuse it was running dry......

HTH

Guy
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geoff p

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Re: cheddar Gemini
« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2008, 02:54:00 pm »

Hi,
I'm not familiar with the Gemini engine so I don't know if I am suggesting complete twaddle ...

I've been scratch building my own steam engine from handy materials.  It's about 11.5mm bore x 10mm stroke, slide valve, non-reversing.

On compressed air (motor-car foot-pump) it would turn over and run sort of.  I hooked it up to a steam generator - a length of 3mm (1/8th) copper tube coiled in flash-steamer fashion over the kitchen gas stove.  Nothing, nothing, nothing! <:(

Timing, that's it.

If you stripped the engine, it is almost certain you a/ put the eccentric back on the crankshaft at a slightly different (angular) position from its original, and b/ altered the eccentric-to-valve distance.

Try this:-
Set the reversing lever full over for the direction you want, and lock/clamp/wedge it there.
(At any in-between setting, the reversing gear will reduce the valve travel so as to consume less steam.  At mid-gear, the valve will not open to admit any steam at all.  By and large, this is not required for a model boat.
With the steam chest in place but its cover off, rotate the engine, in the direction you want it to go, to top-dead-centre (TDC).  The slide valve should have started down to the point where it is just beginning to uncover the port which admits steam to the top of the piston.

1] Adjust the eccentric-to-valve distance - usually the valve rod is threaded, with a locknut onto a clevis for the eccentric-strap - to split the difference between the port openings at TDC and BDC.  It will take a few tries to get it somewhere handy, because the clevis can only be moved by half-turn increments.

2] Slacken the eccentric (grub-screw?) that is doing the pushing for this direction, and rotate it around the crankshaft till you can just see a crack of the port above the top-edge of the valve - a boars hair, as they say.  Nip the eccentric in place, gently!

A useful guide is that the valve should be about 70 decgrees in advance of the crack:  rotate the crank until the valve is as high as it will go and the crank should eyeball to be a bit less than 90 degree behind TDC in the direction of rotation.

3] Rotate the crankshaft to bottom-dead-centre (BDC) and view the bottom port.  It will likely be more open than the TDC - in other words, it started opening earlier than it should have.

Back to [1] and try again (and again), until both top- and bottom ports are just uncovering/opening pretty much the same small amount at TDC and BDC.

For reverse, you will simply put the reversing lever full over the other way and work on the angular position of the other eccentric.  Do not mess with the clevis.

Geoff
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Duke

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Re: cheddar Gemini
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2008, 05:22:36 pm »

Thanks to all for your help and ideas,
I did manage to get the engine going. the slide valve positions worked out fine I had got them pretty near but I must of moved the shaft which the eccentrics are on, the eccentrics are pinned so they cannot be moved but the shaft they are on is worked by grub screwed gears, so that but an idea in my head.
Maybe not the best way of doing it but I gripped the flywheel end in my small vice and slowly turned the crankshaft with smooth grips the other end. The crankshaft appears to be just interference fitted together not keyed in any way. As I had managed to get it going one way only, I slowly turned the crank, luck would have it I guessed the right way to go first time and kept turning it till the engine ran both ways same speed with a low pressure.
So for reference the engine turns the same way as the reversing lever points
Once again thanks to all for your help

Regards
Duke :-))
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Bunkerbarge

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Re: cheddar Gemini
« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2008, 08:03:37 pm »

Glad you got there Duke.
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wideawake

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Re: cheddar Gemini
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2008, 09:14:11 pm »

Yup well done mate!   We look forward to seeing pics of the Gemini in the model in due course.   

Cheers

Guy
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