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Mal X

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Re: Whiplash Hydro Build
« Reply #125 on: November 29, 2009, 02:07:14 pm »

Would fitting a Gyro to it help keep it Die straight, or is this not the cause of crashes ?

(maybe we should start another thread for this one)

not sure, but they always seem to flip over on Youtube, most often whilst near the end of a long fast run in a straight line,  i think they hit prop wash from a previous run, because you dont often see a Cat flip over whilst turning or going slowly, it's in a straight line near 140km/h that they suddenly take off, the Hydro seems to do the same too.

my guess is they're racing into unstable water caused by the previous run, because they seem to sail the same course all the time, i.e up and down a lake in a straight line, trying to break a previous speed record, but i wont know what's going on until i get mine on the water; i only know about tugboats, i've never raced fast electrics.

solution:- self-righting !
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Re: Whiplash Hydro Build
« Reply #126 on: November 30, 2009, 10:49:48 am »

Any more updates on the WHIPLASH ?  :o,Mal x i think you need to start your own thread m8.
Mart
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Re: Whiplash Hydro Build
« Reply #127 on: December 01, 2009, 03:07:33 am »

Still sanding at the moment Martin, getting it ready for the filling in places needed and the all over coating of epoxy.

Sick of sanding now, but nearly there. Started to play with the radio fit out.

Also, been grinding, ports and piston on the motor that is, now that's a bit more fun!

Glenn
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Re: Whiplash Hydro Build
« Reply #128 on: December 01, 2009, 05:28:33 am »

If you all like turbine powered models check this bad boy out a turbine powerd Miss Bud.

http://www.modelgasboats.com/Magazine_Content/Scratch%10Custom_Builds/Budweiser_Turbine_Hydro/

I think I will have to rob a bank and buy me one of them turbines lol
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Re: Whiplash Hydro Build
« Reply #129 on: December 01, 2009, 08:27:10 am »

Still sanding at the moment Martin, getting it ready for the filling in places needed and the all over coating of epoxy.

Sick of sanding now, but nearly there. Started to play with the radio fit out.

Also, been grinding, ports and piston on the motor that is, now that's a bit more fun!

Glenn

Look forward to seeing her when you get her ready for paint Glenn,hows the engine work going mate?.Maybe you should start doing it as a service for us mere mortals who can just about tell one end of a cranckshaft from the other  :}.By the way im doing a deal with a guy in the states who has a hydro  similar to the whiplash,ill be building them here in the UK he will be building my Comet over there.He says its good for 80 mph should be fun  :-)).
Mart
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Re: Whiplash Hydro Build
« Reply #130 on: December 01, 2009, 01:30:29 pm »

Engine work is done. Problem is with doning work for others is the first time something goes wrong witht eh motor, even if it is 5 months down the line, it comes back to you. There is no guarantee they are going to hang together when done, though that said, I have not had a failure as yet.

That's got to be the kiss of death.

Read the article done by Jeroen Pasman - then get your Dremel out and give it a go, it is not that difficult to do really.

Should be ready for epoxy coating this weekend I think.

Glenn
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Re: Whiplash Hydro Build
« Reply #131 on: December 01, 2009, 02:46:08 pm »

Yea i know what you mean mate,im sure i could do it i just cant be bothered im too busy with the boat building.Anyways i think rcmk motors for me from now on,cant beat the performance for the price.Good luck with the epoxy  ok2.
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« Reply #132 on: December 02, 2009, 12:58:17 am »

Thanks. I am sure the epoxy will be fine, the tricky bit is going to be finding a spot in the house when the missus is out for an hour or two so I can hang it up in the warm to coat it, then scrape it off again.

Saturday afternoon talk of Christmas shopping trips sounds the best plan for me.

As to engines, I am aware that the RCMK are fairly powerful out of the box, but for a little work you can get more from a Zen and they are becoming cheap to buy on the secondhand market.

I'm still on Zens for now as you can probably tell.

Glenn.
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« Reply #133 on: December 02, 2009, 01:18:19 pm »

Nothing against zens i still luv mine just rcmk seem to be the furure for sure,do the same work as you do on your zen you will have a better motor theyre quallity and great customer service unlike Komatsu  :o.
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Re: Whiplash Hydro Build
« Reply #134 on: December 23, 2009, 03:22:49 am »

OK, so, after too much timke, some updates:

I have the radio gear installed, the servo brackets have been made, bolted through wooden laminated "plates" which are epoxied onto the radio box base. These will be easy to get the servo's out complete with brackets for easy changes.

Some pictures:





Here is the throttle linkage at the engine end. The carb has an accelerator pump so it will be interesting to see how the engine performs when the throttle is opened quickly.




Here is one of the servo plates. These are laminated ply, the captive nuts being pulled into the top sheet, then the bottom sheet being laminated onto it, the whole thing then gets epoxied to the radio box bottom.



The radio box. You can see how easy it is to remove servos.



This final shot showing the rudder ball joint.

I used carbon fibre tubes as you can see for the linkages, they are light and strong. Ferrules of brass tube to prevent the carbon rod splitting (Thanks Ian for the advice).

Engine is mounted, I made some spacers to take up the slaclk fomr the new riubbers, I have changed all bolts and nuts on the model to ensure everything is metric, this resulted in some slack on the engine mounts between rails and the rubbers as the metric rubbers I used are slightly shorter, some spacers made from 3mm aluminum sorted that out nicely.

So all that remains is:

Fit the final top deck where the hatches go, fuel tank in, sand it all down, do any final filling, epoxy the whole thing, then paint, fit out and test. The engine in the pictures is still stock at the moment so that will be ported during the Christmas break with luck. If anyone is interested I'll post some pics of the engine butchery!!

Have a Happy Christmas and a great New Year.

Glenn
 
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Re: Whiplash Hydro Build
« Reply #135 on: December 23, 2009, 05:32:20 am »

The engine in the pictures is still stock at the moment so that will be ported during the Christmas break with luck. If anyone is interested I'll post some pics of the engine butchery!!

Have a Happy Christmas and a great New Year.

Glenn
 


Ohhhh yes  :-))

I`ve modified several glow engines over the years, but i`ve never been tempted with any of my zenoah`s. i`d be really keen to see this.
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Re: Whiplash Hydro Build
« Reply #136 on: December 23, 2009, 08:44:04 am »

It shall be done then. It's not pretty! But so far have had success with them.

Glenn
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Re: Whiplash Hydro Build
« Reply #137 on: December 23, 2009, 09:41:22 am »

Look forward to seeing what you do to yours Glenn,i plan on some mods to an evo motor,ill be following Scotts methods on the mgb site for the evo mods.I have no clue what im doing or why whats done works i just copy what they do knowing it will work lol.Look forward to following your mods along with the rest of your build  :-)).
Mart
John heres a great article to wet your apetite
http://www.modelgasboats.com/Magazine_Content/Tech_Articles/Engine_Porting/
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Re: Whiplash Hydro Build
« Reply #138 on: December 24, 2009, 02:01:16 am »

It shall be done then. It's not pretty! But so far have had success with them.

Glenn

The engine I had lined up for this one ended up elsewere, henece the reason I need to tune another......

Glenn
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« Reply #139 on: December 24, 2009, 04:01:37 am »

The engine I had lined up for this one ended up elsewere, henece the reason I need to tune another......

Glenn

Do you find that your changing bearings more often the the modified engines ?

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« Reply #140 on: December 24, 2009, 04:12:58 pm »

Do you find that your changing bearings more often the the modified engines ?

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Not so far John.

Glenn
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Re: Whiplash Hydro Build
« Reply #141 on: January 23, 2010, 04:34:04 am »

OK - I know I said I'd post during Christmas, but I got so busy that I never had the chance.  ;)

Some progress has been made though, but not too much yet. Won't be long now!

Photo's to follow.

Glenn

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« Reply #142 on: January 23, 2010, 08:56:26 am »

I know what you mean Glenn i got busy quite a lot over Christmas too  O0,look forward to the pics mate.
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Re: Whiplash Hydro Build
« Reply #143 on: January 23, 2010, 10:02:50 am »

Here are the start of the pics, there'll be a few in this series:



Engine loosened off



Pulling the flywheel. Homemade tool works well for this.



Strippped down to all it's glory




Not for long it isn't!!



The stock piston



Material removed from intake side of piston skirt



A shot to show how much is cast into the piston. Lots of this will be removed to lighten the piston.

That's it for now, more later when more grinding has been done.

Glenn


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« Reply #144 on: January 23, 2010, 06:38:38 pm »

And some more. I managed to get the engine finished this afternoon.



This is the inside of the piston, lot of weight removed here as you can see.




Side profile of the piston.



Drive end crankcase matched to cylinder.



Flywheel end cylinder and case matching.

Note the cases were polished after this was done to make it nice and smooth for the gas flow from the bottom end up the transfers. You can see the eyebrow cuts in the transfers.



In a new expermiment for me you can see I ground the leading edge of the crank. Supposed to reduce drag as the crank turns. See if it revs better I guess!!



Another angle of the same.



Checking the timing numbers.

For anyone interested, this motor is now running 186 degrees exhaust timing and 154 degrees of inlet. Hopefully it will produce some good power. Should rev well anyway!!

One shot I did not take was of the exhaust port - basically, the roof is rasied and the profile maintained. All edges cleaned off and radiused when done to allow smooth action for the piston. I built it back up and it starts. If I get the chance I will run it tomorrow in another model to test it.

Glenn




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Re: Whiplash Hydro Build
« Reply #145 on: January 24, 2010, 09:12:46 am »

lookin good glen

whens it hitting the water ( pardon the pun ) %% %% %%

cheers tony
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Re: Whiplash Hydro Build
« Reply #146 on: January 24, 2010, 09:48:54 am »

Nice work Glenn thanks for sharing good luck with it.
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« Reply #147 on: January 24, 2010, 10:12:51 am »

lookin good glen

whens it hitting the water ( pardon the pun ) %% %% %%

cheers tony

Hi Tony,

the Whip will most likely be another month or so, time just isn't there to do as much as I want to. We shall see though. The motor is hopefully going to get a run today.

Thanks Mart - hope some of you enjoyed the tune up info. Are you going to have a go?

Glenn
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« Reply #148 on: January 24, 2010, 12:37:05 pm »

Glenn i allready did some minor porting on my first motor a while back,practiced on a weedy motor and it really woke it up.As you know im not a mechanic by any means so i just followed what someone told me to try etc.Ill have a go on a zen or the rcmk evo hopefully over the summer and your pics and info should help me a lot,pictures speak more than words to me lol.Hope to try the evo in one of my vees and then its going in a new cat ill be building soon.Im hoping i get a lot more time on the water this year than last thats for sure.
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« Reply #149 on: January 24, 2010, 08:28:39 pm »

Very good. Most important thing to get before you start is a degree wheel and pointer, then, if you know what timing numbers you are after it is a very simple process to calculate how much to remove from the ports / piston skirt.

Glenn
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