Stuart....this is also a very complex consideration

....as 'tigertiger' notes ....however is only relative to the mass/flow of water as presented to & over the rudder surface area & angle of force
1) the vessel @ speed + rudder movement creates a turning moment
2) the vessel @ speed + propellor thrust against the rudder creates a greater turning moment
3) the vessel @ initial ZERO speed + propellor thrust can only achieve the turning moment relative to the mass/flow of water presented to the rudder
When we take this one step further.......[especially with side wheel paddlers] ...we see that 80% over scale rudders are an advantage,......+ 180 degrees included angle of rudder travel.......do act as a braking moment, but also serves as to aid [reduce] the turning circle...........Derek
