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AlexC

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Re: beginner in trouble
« Reply #50 on: February 27, 2009, 04:04:36 pm »

Hi guys,

Stallspeed..... would you please expand on the following statements..... they don't make much sense to me.....

"Dual conversion crystals are just to a narrow tolerance and should be in matched pairs".

Even single conversion crystals are to a pretty tight tolerance and must also be in matched pairs.

"They will work in  single-conv receivers".

Please explain how ?.


"a working Futaba or Hitec clone transmitter,therefore works with unbranded negative shift crystal". 

What is a negative shift crystal?

"a working dual conversion(High adjacent channel selectivity and interference rejection ) receiver needing a dual conversion crystal based on the Ebay description.
two matched crystal pairs,most likely negative shift to be Futaba compatible"
 

Why do you need 2 sets of crystals? and again what is negative shift?

"But
With each frequecy,you need to get a dual coversion receiver crystal,and probably the Futaba one.That is the downside of getting a dual conversion receiver".


So what is different here?...... you would also need to get separate pairs for each spot frequency used, even using a single conversion set-up.


"The 800mW is likely to be a typo because 800mW would would mean 70% of battery power is converted to rf power.No way".

How do you figure this one?.... what else would the TX battery power be used for?

I look forward to your expanded reply.

Best regards.

AlexC  ok2 ok2

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Re: beginner in trouble
« Reply #51 on: February 28, 2009, 07:04:56 pm »

All crystals (should) have a number stamped on them indicating their resonant frequency.  The TX crystal indicates the frequency transmitted to air, whether it AM or FM.  The S/C RX crystal matching has a number offset by 0.455MHz.  There is a local oscillator in the RX that this runs, the output is mixed with whatever comes from the aerial, (your TX signal plus everything else in the world) and is passed into an amplifying filter, called an IF stage.  This is tuned to 455KHz, and, due to some magic maths, amplifies your signal and almost nothing else.
A dual conversion set repeats this performance, making the "almost nothing else" into "nothing else".  There are usually two frequencies involved in this, using a bit of magic electronics it can be done with one crystal, but this needs a different offset to that required for single conversion.  Different manufacturers tend to come up with different answers, so while single conversion crystals are fairly universal (honest!), dual are not, and should be regarded as manufacturer specific.
I remember seeing a Futaba list a while back (but can't find it now of course) where both dual and single sets were listed.  The TX ones were the same part number for both, but the single and dual were different.

Not all of the TX battery's power goes up the aerial, quite a bit vanishes into the electronics.
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Re: beginner in trouble
« Reply #52 on: February 28, 2009, 07:48:50 pm »

All crystals (should) have a number stamped on them indicating their resonant frequency.  The TX crystal indicates the frequency transmitted to air, whether it AM or FM.  I remember seeing a Futaba list a while back (but can't find it now of course) where both dual and single sets were listed.  The TX ones were the same part number for both, but the single and dual were different.


I have two models that I run on the same Xtail numbers but it was only by mistake I found out that single and dual Xtails are different, I have one of each though not sure how I cam by the dual one. the trans Xtail is so hard to change is why I have several rx Xtails all the same (but one which is dual) I can leave them in the model and just switch on the next.

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