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[nhp651]

agree with you there tt about loosing your licence for trivial  discrepancies., but i think the ol' bill have the right idea and laws to carry out these days.........the siezure of cars for no mot /insurance and now espescially for foreign drivers.
it works to.
in Fleetwood, i have a friend who has a business in car recovery and he holds the local contract with the ol' bill for uploading these cars.
he says the actual crime rate in fleetwood has now seriously gone down, because the bill have seized all the knackered un insured cars, the crims have had to revert to pedal bikes as get away vehicles, and are now quicker to catch.lol
life is sweeter in the fylde, lol

[bigH]

Guys, Guys,  Sureley we are all missing the point here.   It has nothing to do with,speeding, phone use, drink, parking,
not in control of vehicle (eating or drinking behind the wheel, no ins or tax and the hundred and one other things that we
can get done for.    THE FACT IS . WE ARE BREAKING THE LAW AND IN MOST CASES KNOWINGLY.....  i AM NOT MORALISING
ABOUT THIS BUT STATING A PLAIN FACT and the result of this is simple, it is called PUNISHMENT however harsh or lenient this may be.
the adage that says 'DON'T DO THE CRIME IF YOU CAN'T DO THE TIME' .   We have nearly all broken the law in one way or another at
one time even if it is only, 'I was only parked for five minutes guv; we know that we should not park there, so why don't we
stop moaning and accept it????  if you want to change then do it at the voting box.    I know that I am going to get stick over this
but I have had my say, moaning over, no more to say on this.     bigH 

[catengineman]

With you on that one bigH,

I try to be as nice as I can even if I have to give way to the moron that thinks he/she should be in front of me?

My Daughter laughed at me for driving at a max of 60 mph and following the speed limits around our town etc, then a summons dropped on the mat for her and a lovely picture of HER car's rear end and the speed  38 MPH in a 30 MPH area.
The air went blue with the language she used about how wrong it was because it was in the middle of the night and no one was about!
I pointed out firstly *SHE WAS ABOUT* then the *SPEED LIMIT* for that area then informed her that *HER LEICENCE* had to be sent to have the points added, which also may have a knock on effect to her insurance.
A very quiet girl for a few weeks 

[Bartapuss]

I see that a new little black box is to be fitted to all new cars from 2010, not compulsary for the first three years, after that everyone will have to have one fitted or it will be an MOT failure. This little box of tricks will tell the authorities where we are, what time we were there, what speed we are doing and the biggest one of them all, automatic speeding fines, no one will stop us speeding, at first it will seem like no one cares, don't be fooled, it will be done automatically, the only time you will know that you have been caught is when you get the speeding ticket fines and penaulty points, through the post. 

[Ghost in the shell]

hands up, how manny of us have consumed liquids or eaten whilst on long motorway drives?  

oh by the way as for speed, My nissan says I am doing 55, my sat nav says im am doing 45! and I drive at 55mph indicated so I dont over strain the engine when on long motorway runs

30mph indicated (20mph sat nav plotted), my infraction for speeding 3 years ago in october said i was doing 50 in a 40 zone. whoops 3 points plz sir

[Ghost in the shell]

I see that a new little black box is to be fitted to all new cars from 2010, not compulsary for the first three years, after that everyone will have to have one fitted or it will be an MOT failure. This little box of tricks will tell the authorities where we are, what time we were there, what speed we are doing and the biggest one of them all, automatic speeding fines, no one will stop us speeding, at first it will seem like no one cares, don't be fooled, it will be done automatically, the only time you will know that you have been caught is when you get the speeding ticket fines and penaulty points, through the post. 

GPS tachographs??

also, what about compulsory truck style digital tachograhs for all vehicles used for commercial use, (yes that also included mr kirby salesman's ford mondeo!) we wont get to the stage of limiting all cars to 56mph, however how many times do you see rep mobiles on the motorway, and the drivers look obviously fatigued?

[catengineman]

I think the taco for COMMERCIAL use vehicles is a good idea but how could the police distinguish from private use?

1 Idea I have though of is to have like the O licence displayed (operators licence as in trucks) there would also be a need for the private use to display one or the "rep" for want of a better term could just not display anything.
2 A disk denoting a valid M O T displayed
3 A disk denoting a valid Insurance

Just my look on things
R,

[Ghost in the shell]

some countries have an insurance tag, and trailers on commercials, and I think any rigid over 3.5t has to have an in-cab mot. 

[catengineman]

I believe Ireland has the insurance validation on a disc displayed next to the road fund disk (I could be wrong)

If we all had to display disks showing valid MOT / insurance / tax then surely that would make for the removal of illegal motors easier, and with the impound / pay up or get crushed I see it as a good thing.

Joe Bloggs with the untaxed jag could loose his pride and joy unless it is taxed etc. when it should not be on the highway unless it IS.
Then there are the police cameras which can recognise number plates and this is linked to insurance and mot's but plod on the hoof has not got that info to hand.

R,

PS: if your name is Jo Bloggs I am sorry it is just a name used in explanation of context (I think)

[Ghost in the shell]

when I purchased my nissan, first thing i did, ring up nsurers having got quote previously and said to "go with the nissan, I am buying it.  Fully comp please" - car was then INSURED.  having paid for it and drove it off the forecourt, passed a cop car and blue lights.

oh dear I thaught.

turns out the camera had picked it up as being uninsured.  a quick check on the police system and a call to direct line proved it to be insured.  "on your way sir enjoy your dirive"

[catengineman]

Yes cop in car has the little camera linked to the system but plod on the hoof (bobby on the beat (walking)) can only walk past or radio to traffic to find out (as far as I know)
a walk down the next street from where my son lives and you could count a full car transporter load of cars that are "A" not taxed "B" not insured "C" not road worthy but you just know they are used on the highways. the road in question is "unadopted" so its looked on as not a highway? strange I know but the council say so.

R,

[Ghost in the shell]

don bur bodies had a spray shop 100 yards down the road from the main site, trailers were hauled by un taxed, un insured and un-mot'd ERF shunt trucks.  again unadopted road

[craftysod]

Just a useless bit of information,for the non truckies out there.
Did you know an artic trailor has to have a mot each year,apart from the rig.
I got a electronic tacho in my cab,and it tells everything,and the plod (who are the worst offenders),
can read everything there and then

[catengineman]

Yes and I would like to see caravans and trailor's in the MOT bracket as well.

I have seen some units towed around after a year of being parked in a field ? brakes seized drawbar damper not working tyres cracked! and yes I do tow

my trailor's are serviced regularly

R,

[craftysod]

A few years ago,i picked up a trailor from one of the yards.Hooked up rig,checked lights etc,drove off.
Got stopped by plod on motorway,diverted to local hgv test centre for check.
They found brakes on trailor faulty,one tyre flat spot,i said how was i to know the brakes didnt work properly,
i could brake properly(without locking trailor),and the flat spot was on floor of tyre when checked.
Still got 3 points for tyre.
Wont bore you with the time hoses frozen at traffick lights

[catengineman]

I know where your coming from craftysod  been there done that 

Dont drive HGV/PSV anymore, used to during leave periods from my sailing job. could tell a few hair raising tales of trucking around in a Ford D1000 (now there is a truckers truck  LOL) or even the ERF or AEC and please never mention the Scammel crusader.

R,

[craftysod]

I have helped getting this topic of track,so ban the lot of them driving over here.
where i live they are building a super hospital,and the amount of foreign registered cars who break
the rules is amazing
If i blocked corners or access ramps for disabled,would get fined,but no so called police (kids) turn a blind eye
Marki

[Bartapuss]

hands up, how manny of us have consumed liquids or eaten whilst on long motorway drives?  

Hands up, how many of us have passed liquids or solids whilst on long motorway drives?? 

[catengineman]

I have driven some crappy motors but never     no never 


R,

[tigertiger]

hands up, how manny of us have consumed liquids or eaten whilst on long motorway drives?  

Hands up, how many of us have passed liquids or solids whilst on long motorway drives?? 

I have passed some crappy motors.

[ianb]

Whilst I do most certainly agree that good traffic laws should be obeyed, I'm afraid I can't really accept that bad ones (inappropriate speed limits on certain roads aka "speed traps" should be equally enforced. The police in many countries have become tax collectors and the politicians have been only too happy to pass driving laws with monetary penalties, Does this state of affairs really improve traffic safety, or is it just a large, steady income for various government levels? New thinking is required, but is unlikely to come from the authorities as long as the gravy train rolls on.

Luckily, in this country the police refuse absolutely to be collection agents for government revenue. I see lots of speeding, but very little dangerous driving. And there is a difference.

I'll put away my soapbox now.

Ian

[TCC]

I see that a new little black box is to be fitted to all new cars from 2010, not compulsary for the first three years, after that everyone will have to have one fitted or it will be an MOT failure. This little box of tricks will tell the authorities where we are, what time we were there, what speed we are doing and the biggest one of them all, automatic speeding fines, no one will stop us speeding, at first it will seem like no one cares, don't be fooled, it will be done automatically, the only time you will know that you have been caught is when you get the speeding ticket fines and penaulty points, through the post. 

Is that true? What are the civil liberties people saying about it as that is true 'big brother' technology. they'll know where you are and have been. Sure, it's fine if they want to catch criminals but what about when MI5 start to track CND, trade unionsts, minority political parties, etc.

They've just given MI% a blackmaileras tool on anyone cheating on their wife, etc.

No ones mentioned the getting tickets via CCTV camera. Park in a bus stop and they see you and it's a 'letter in the post' job. Our council haven't started this yet but they have jus took on a new firm of parking inspectors in blue coats and there's murder about it. Someone got a ticket for parking the wrong way outside their house. Another one for being a touch on the curb.

p.s I think the same as RonH, if I break the laws, I'll live with the punishment.

[Roger in France]

Agree completely with Ian.

Inappropriate max. speeds bring all speed restrictions into disrepute. Also, as he says, not all speeding is dangerous but unfortunately the correlation between high speed and accidents is so strong that all speeding can be criticised. It is also true that where high speed is involved without being the cause, accidents are usually more severe.

I recognise that fitting a governor to an engine is not the answer but I do wonder if technology could not be better applied to limit speed without affecting power? All vehicles could of course be fitted with tachographs, that would give the liberty boys something to really get their teeth into!

In general terms I observe that speeding is less prevalent in my part of rural France. However, inattentive driving is all around because traffic is so light drivers just do not expect an opposing vehicle rounding the bend ahead.

Roger in France

[Ghost in the shell]

well, I have travelled through the night on my way down to bridgend, travelling at 40 - 45  indicated, (sat nav tracked me at 30-35) at night on a 60mph road.  road was twisty and signposted 60, and in some areas double white lined (NO OVER TAKING for BOTH directions), and still some people were over taking. 

now, who's in the wrong, them for over taking, or ME for going at only half the posted speed limit, on a road I dont know in a vehicle that handles like a van, driving at night?

[catengineman]

I am under the impression that the speed limit is as said the MAXIMUM permitted but I know that the driving standards agency also use the term

"not making due progress" this can fail you on a driving test. when I asked on this rule my examiner (I was sitting for my ADI) said If I was doing 22 MPH in a 30 MPH zone it could be said I was not making due progress? but "I" was to assess the area I was in at the time and take that into consideration.

My daughter was under the impression that "YOU" had to do what the speed limit said, which is I believe the wrong way to treat the rule.

Just my look on things. And IF you are in this country then you should obey the rules and laws of THIS country

R,