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Re: revell type 7 pics
« Reply #25 on: September 26, 2006, 06:16:57 pm »

Praise the lord :-X

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Re: revell type 7 pics
« Reply #26 on: September 26, 2006, 06:29:04 pm »

Will have to be li-po's if you want plenty of capacity in small boat like that.

This site offers a good selection-

http://www.himodel.com/
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Re: revell type 7 pics
« Reply #27 on: September 27, 2006, 09:45:04 am »

Hi! Thing is ive heard alot about lipos blowing up, and catching fire. Some say they do some say they dont but theres no smoke without fire and i dont want to take that chance if i can help it, 'cos knowing my luck it will explode like a depth charge hitting it. ;D. What do you think of lithium ion?  :-\

                Grant
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Re: revell type 7 pics
« Reply #28 on: September 28, 2006, 07:30:07 pm »

Hi Dino, re our lopo's conversation. As you are aware, I am not up to speed on this type of battery technology but have made a couple of enquiries on your behalf.
 I had aword with a friend of mine who's really into these things and they use them all the time for model aircraft. He has every faith in them and I picked up a bit of the low down regarding useage.
First and foremost, you must use the correct charger or you are on a loser any which way you turn. Secondly, never ever run the things completely flat otherwise they will generate gas internally and swell up. Thirdly, it is perfectly ok to use them with ordinary dc motors but you need a smart speed controller which will sense low battery condition and slowly shut down before the cells are completely discharged.
The real downside is cost, the whole shooting match costs an arm and a leg by the time you've got all the right bits together. He emphasises the point, that the cause of failure of these batteries is generally abuse by the user, normally running down way below the recommended 'flat' condition. Their primary role is to rapidly charge, accept and store a large amount of current for their size and weight and have the capability to discharge huge amounts of current in a short space of time.
A great battery, but at what cost!!
Regards..Chris
Ps, have'nt managed to get up the pond yet....soon I hope!
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Re: revell type 7 pics
« Reply #29 on: September 28, 2006, 07:40:33 pm »

Dino, just one last point regarding the safety of these batteries. They are the very same types of cells you have in your mobile phone. I dismantled one today and found the pack also contained the charging circuit to manage the battery condition. It has a built in sensor designed to shut your phone down before the cells run completely flat... thats why your phone simply shuts down abruptly when the battery gets too low, but the pack is not completely flat at that point. We never worry about our mobiles blowing up and catching fire and we even carry them around in our pockets! I think the battery technology is just fine....... providing people cant fiddle around with the charge/discharge parameters!
Regards. Chris
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Re: revell type 7 pics
« Reply #30 on: September 28, 2006, 08:53:31 pm »

So what kind of  voltages / capacities for sizes are we taking about, eg 3v at 1200mah nokia 3330 size etc,

I have a few projects that require small light powerfull batteries and they seem perfect for the job, and also can you make them series for long stints or parallel for higher voltages (providing they do not cause the senerio as described in the 'meltdown' thread)?

Any recomendations etc
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Re: revell type 7 pics
« Reply #31 on: September 28, 2006, 10:59:22 pm »

Hi Warspite,
I am not that familiar with capacities/ sizes of cells but I could probably find out given time. The cells can be paralleled to give increased current or coupled in series for increased voltage.
For marine applications these cells would have to be effectively waterproofed, as I am informed they really don't like water. This is a big drawback from our point of view but nothing is impossible and with a bit of clever design, I am sure this can be achieved. There is a lot more information to be wrung out of this type of battery design and I will try to find some time to look it up as I am curious to find out more. 
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Re: revell type 7 pics
« Reply #32 on: September 28, 2006, 11:12:28 pm »

made some enquiries myself and found out that if the cells were to split ,crack, they catch fire with contact with oxygen, which is present in water. the only thing that puts it out is to starve it of fuel, ie oxygen.mistreatment can cause this, ie overcharging or overloading. to me it is not worth the risk.
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Re: revell type 7 pics
« Reply #33 on: September 28, 2006, 11:53:51 pm »

Ok everyone stand easy! I just found some info that would drive away an army of lipo enthusiasts, so I will let you decide for yourselves... it all looks rather bleak to me so i am not going to sing the praises of these packs save to say, most problems are caused my misuse.
I dont know how to attach things to these articles so have a go at this...
www.rcgroups.com , look at the section 'aircraft.electric-general and find the comments about lithium batteries... it'll scare you to death!!
I am outa here!!
regards.        Chris
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Re: revell type 7 pics
« Reply #34 on: September 29, 2006, 01:25:14 am »

Yes Lipo's are the way forward with these. A dedicated lipo charger can be had for £16 from http://www.galaxymodels.co.uk/new/results.asp?subt=Battery%20Chargers
A 7.4v battery  around the 1200mAH rage will be about £20.Getting cheaper all the time.  A lipo garurd to detect low voltage is a good idea from around £5 and allows you to use any ESC you have safely (or you could use an ESC with a built in programable input voltage sensor). I have been using these batteries for 4 years or so now, as long as you exercise care they are fine. They can be run completely wet too. But just like Nicads and SLA batteries you need to take specific precautions.


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Re: revell type 7 pics
« Reply #35 on: September 29, 2006, 07:09:04 pm »

Ditto what the others hve said.

The main thing is not to run them too low, you will ruin the cell beyond recovery of you do this. When I first started using li-pos in my model aircraft, I once ran a battery too flat (this was before the low voltage detectors were widely available). I was ever so lucky, because the plane literally died on me as it landed.

Li-pos can output tremenedously high amounts of current, in some cases upto 30 times their capacity. That is the danger, as if you short them out, or run them to extreme measures then you can cause fires.

However any battery is a potential hazard if mistreated in such a way.

I got some Kokam branded 8.4 volt 1200mAH packs quite recently for under a tenner, posted. Unfortunately all sold out now (they were on special offer).

Andy

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