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Re: M.P's SCANDALOUS BEHAVIOUR
« Reply #50 on: May 16, 2009, 02:40:54 pm »

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As far as I'm concerned, any person working in Local or Central Govt. receiving a full time salary or wage from the Public Purse is a Civil Servant.

Not quite - civil servant maybe but not Civil Servant. There are a lot of differences between Civil Servants and Local Government Officers which I won't bore you with here except to say that in certain quarters, if you equated them you'd be lynched!

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« Reply #51 on: May 16, 2009, 04:51:54 pm »

To be strictly correct, all members of the Home Civil Service are employed by the Crown on contracts - they are not elected by the public.
The head of the Home Civil Service is the Permanent Secretary to The Cabinet - he is the only Grade 1 Civil Servant and all others are answerable to him.
Neither Members of the House nor Ministers of the Crown are answerable to the Permanent Secretary - it's more the other way around.
As far as I know, Local Government Officers are only answerable to their local CEO; the PermSecCab has absolutely nothing to do with local government.

..........O, yes; and Civil Servants pay tax on any allowances they might be lucky enough to receive. Mine was £3.25 per day if I had to take a meal more than 5 miles from my usual office. "Had to" was defined as being away from that office for more than 5 hours, and woe betide anyone who claimed this vast and generous amount without actually buying a meal (not even a sandwich, mark you).

£400 a month for food? Tax-free? No, mate - MPs are quite clearly NOT "Civil Servants"!

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« Reply #52 on: May 17, 2009, 04:42:04 pm »

I noticed with some interest that a certain Mr.McShane (Mp for somewhere in Yorkshire) has claimed and received £125,000 over the past seven years by simply designating his garage as his "office".  As I seem to spend more time in my garage (workshop) than I do in my "Main Residence" (i.e.the house) why can't I claim an "Incidental Allowances" payment? I think Mrs.Y would welcome the fitting of a shower, bunk and "test tank" in my second home...as long as someone else paid for it. (She has kindly condescended to supply me with food but only if it is "claimable"). Yours in squalor. BY.
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« Reply #53 on: May 17, 2009, 05:23:55 pm »

I noticed with some interest that a certain Mr.McShane (Mp for somewhere in Yorkshire) has claimed and received £125,000 over the past seven years by simply designating his garage as his "office".  As I seem to spend more time in my garage (workshop) than I do in my "Main Residence" (i.e.the house) why can't I claim an "Incidental Allowances" payment? I think Mrs.Y would welcome the fitting of a shower, bunk and "test tank" in my second home...as long as someone else paid for it. (She has kindly condescended to supply me with food but only if it is "claimable"). Yours in squalor. BY.
In a more serious vein, I pondered on my (light hearted) post. I know that there are many retired or semi-retired people on this forum. But what got the little mind going was the thought that, although you may have a "hobby" or some other interest, that doesn't apply to all retired people.
Shortly before I retired from my sea-going life I had a conversation with a Captain who was terrified of "retirement" as he "had no outside interest or hobbies". He just didn't know what he was going to do. I have met (mainly the wives) people like this and it would appear that slumping in front of the 'telly seems to be "par for the course".....and then they die. Early. At least "us lot" have a sustainable interest and can enjoy a generally enjoyable bit of back-chat. I'm now really pleased that I didn't go down the route of "promotion at all costs"...so I have enjoyed my "retired" life a damn sight more than I enjoyed the working one. BY
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« Reply #54 on: May 17, 2009, 06:13:14 pm »

Byan. i told my wife that the day I end up in  buttoned leather chair with a copy of Country Life on my lap and spend my time staring out of the window.... it's over, just shoot me!!!
Anyone noticed how the life threatening  'swine flu' panic has dissapeared into the background now? Can't for the life of me think why!!
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« Reply #55 on: May 18, 2009, 01:15:40 pm »

Just found this on http://schyouknowwho.com/
If the attachment didnt work, its the second down on the link.

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« Reply #56 on: May 18, 2009, 07:59:56 pm »

How do the politicians explain why the taxpayer has to fund their second homes, when during my twenty-five years of RN service, as a single man I had to pay for food and accommodation, in far worse conditions than they have to put up with?

My second 'gripe' on the subject is why are the guilty ones not being asked to pay interest charges on taxpayers' money that they have been using? I was once charged 3p for being a day late with a payment to the Inland Revenue, the stamp to charge me cost more than I apparently owed. Talk about 'us and them'!!! >>:-( <*< >>:-(

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« Reply #57 on: May 18, 2009, 09:11:45 pm »

Last night I broke into the local bank, blew open the door into the strongroom and spent four hours with a blowtorch cutting my way into the safe. Filling several bags with used notes I was making my gettaway when all the alarms went off and I was surrounded by the law.

"Good grief!" said plod "How on earth did you get so far without the alarm getting tripped?"

They had to let me go when I quite rightly pointed out that I am an MP and that it wasn't me but the system that was at fault.

Andy :-))
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« Reply #58 on: May 18, 2009, 11:06:56 pm »

Was listening to the news tonight and all these MP's were moaning about the speaker not being fit for the job because of this expenses disgrace.
According to the MP's he is at fault but I wonder;
Is the reason he is at fault is because he allowed their theft of our money be exposed?
I do not see how 1 man is at fault for all this you may not like him but he was not the 1 defrauding us >>:-(
And the Tories claiming the only way that this can be resolved is by having a general election  {:-{ {:-{
Regardless who is in power MP's from ALL parties have been involved in this and a general election may sort other
issues out but I cannot see how a change in government is going to solve this it need a total change in the system and rules

As an added bit to my rant  :D I worked out that if I had to work away from home for an entire year I would only get £16435
added to my wage to cover the extra logging's I would have to get and that is about the rate the government says is a
fare rate >:-o
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« Reply #59 on: May 19, 2009, 08:47:46 pm »

Finally worked out why Alex Salmond ( AKA the "Fat Controller" ) refused to stand down from his MP's job as he promised to do after he was elected as an MSP. If he left before Parliament was dissolved he would loose £100,000 in "golden parachute" money because he has been an MP for more than 15 years ( same argument that was on the news about Michael Martin the speaker leaving early ).

Worked out that the Fat Controller is costing the tax payer over £350,000 per year , he claims that his MSP salary is going to "charity" ( run by his wife........ ) but regardless we pay an elected member to do work not to get the money for doing nothing.

£250,000 he claimed from Westminster for 2007-8 and was in the house a total of 6 days.........£42,000 per day not bad work if you can get it......
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« Reply #60 on: May 19, 2009, 09:09:53 pm »

Is it me, or did Michael Martin the speaker, sound like someone who had been on 'Jim'll Fix It' so he could have a go at being 'Speaker' for a day? What a way to go down in History, he will certainly never be forgotten and will enter the history books for sure. Give it a few years and his name will be a question on 'Who Wants to be a Millionaire'
Absolutely pathetic!
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« Reply #61 on: May 21, 2009, 08:39:40 pm »

  I have been on holiday in the north of England for the past ten days.  However, I have been listening to the 'Today' programme on Radio 4 and watching the TV news with ever mounting anger at these so called 'Right Honourable' and 'Honourable' parasites with their snouts in the trough. To call them pigs, would in my book, malign the pig as an animal.  Diane Abbott of MP and TV celebrity fame said and I quote ' the public are looking to see MPs' hanging from lamp posts' unquote.  I thought 'what a great idea as long as long as we use piano wire to do it'.
I watched that ghastly Hazel Blears woman who seems to have a permanent smirk on her face saying she had done nothing wrong and even Brown had to agree her behaviour was unacceptable. What does he do about it? NOTHING!  She is still in the cabinet with other discredied ministers and yet he tells us it will all be sorted out.  All these morons in the labour party are doing now is to circle their wagons to try and keep us Indians out. The sooner the next election comes and we can massacre them the better.
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« Reply #62 on: May 21, 2009, 10:53:36 pm »

Does anyone know of a link to any website showing which MP's have NOT claimed excessive amounts?
I seem to think there was one on the TV a couple of days ago saying he had not claimed for a second home.
Are there any honest ones in there or is he the only one and the rest are all on 'the take'.
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« Reply #63 on: May 21, 2009, 11:06:15 pm »

There was a table in one of the papers at the weekend which listed the "saints", those members who have not made unreasonable expenses claims.

I think we have the whole spectrum here, from members of Parliament who have committed downwright fraud, through those who have bent or exploited the rules to those who are essentially honest. We should not tar everyone automatically with the same brush. You need to look at every case individually and judge accordingly.

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« Reply #64 on: May 22, 2009, 12:50:00 am »

Aparently Gordon has said that any labour MP who has exploited their expences would not be allowed to stand at the next election.
And if the other leaders do the same that who shall we vote for , not wanting to tar them all with the same brush but come on they are all at it , from a dirty movie on the adult channel to a duck house and finished mortgage. it dont matter if its £5.00 or £16,000 it's still theft and they should be made to pay it all back including intrest and then sacked , these people are there to run the country as a team when all they are doing is lining their pockets and shouting at each other like a bunch of immature school kids .
Like it has been said before ,if joe public did the same thing he/she would be brought before the courts and dealt with , and if they did not have the means to repay their possesions seized . Whats cood for the gooes is good for the gander .
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« Reply #65 on: May 22, 2009, 07:44:15 am »

What's good for the goose is good for the gander .

Not quite, it seems. "I'm sorry - it was an honest mistake and I've repaid the money" is apparently good enough in their world, while back on Planet UK folk who throw apple cores out of car windows get fined £1200.

Don't forget that half-empty bottle of Scotch - I haven't.

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« Reply #66 on: May 22, 2009, 07:55:26 am »

Guy Fawkes... the only man  to enter parliament with good intentions.
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« Reply #67 on: May 22, 2009, 08:22:24 am »

Dave

How right you are to remember that half-empty bottle of scotch...

I have been rather disturbed at the way our glorious leader has been going around this past week, selectively making comments about the acceptability (or otherwise) of the actions of various cabinet ministers.  Muppet Blears behaviour was 'completely unacceptable,' (but she continues in her job), whilst Hoon and Co. have apparently done nothing wrong in doing precisely the same thing?  In my own humble opinion, Gordon Brown has no right to pronounce on these matters, surely it is for the Courts to do that?

Legal principles should apply.  If the law has been broken by ANY of these characters, including the party leaders, they should be prosecuted.  A criminal conviction should, (perhaps does?) disqualify anybody from standing as a candidate for election as an MP.

Voters WILL determine the fate of the others at the next General election.

It's a bummer really, I was just about to get out of model manufacturing and into floating duck houses.  {-) {-)

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« Reply #68 on: May 22, 2009, 09:46:37 am »

Hi Malcolm,

Please stick with your model manufacturing for us poor individuals who are not able to make our own fittings etc. As far as floating duck houses are concerned, I'd give it a miss if I were you, I think it's likely to be a bit of a dead duck!!! (pardon the pun!)

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« Reply #69 on: May 22, 2009, 10:41:04 am »

As human beings and in any line of work, mistakes are made and no-one is perfect. There are I'm sure, many of us who have cocked up petty cash or expenses claims in the past and it is not always to our benefit. How many times have you been so concerned about not overclaiming that you have actually come up a bit short and been out of pocket in an effort not to be seen to take advantage..?  I know I have. It would appear that the people who deem themselves so smart that they can run our lives are not capable of managing their own and curiously, never appear to be OUT of pocket. They all claim they have made some kind of error in signing for expenses, stating they misunderstood they had claimed for the wrong house or were unaware they were not allowed certain expenses for other things. NOT ONE has ever appeared to state they have been out of pocket for something.

I noted with interest that Brown has had a new set of rules governing what CAN'T be claimed for. Well, sorry Mr Brown, I think that kind of implies that if it is not on the sheet, then everything else you can dream up is fair game for a claim! I think the claim forms should state what CAN be claimed for, thereby eliminating any form of abuse in other areas. Do they really think the public at large are so stupid they can't see through the fact they are still leaving the ruddy door open... perhaps on purpose?

Errors on Parliamentery expenses claim forms, like in any other business are not neccessarily a criminal offence and would be dealt with internally by either a rap on the knuckles ,a payback, demotion or even the sack, this is understandable. In some instances, this is clearly not the case and where there has been deliberate fraud, this then becomes a criminal offence and should be dealt with externally by the law.
 This pack of leeches have taken expenses to giddy new heights and have profiteered at our expense whilst laughing in our faces. As so called Honourable Members, they have proved themselves to be anything but, they are a bunch of suited, beaming thieves who are no better than the gutter trash we all despise. They are equivalent to the pickpocket who dips his unseen hand into the old ladies handbag to steal her pension money.
I am beginning to believe that there is an elite within this country who all belong to the same group/club/organisation, I believe it is so widespread that we would be schocked and that the populous are simply cattle, to be controlled and milked purely for their benefit.
 I am beginning to believe that there is a conspiracy to milk the nation dry and throw it to the wolves when they have done with it.

I firmly believe the time has come for radical change in every sense. We now have a prime opportunity to turn this country around, it won't be easy or quick, nor will it be comfortable but change must surely come or this nation will crumble.
It's all very depressing talk this but hopefully the Brits will get traditionally up off their bums now their backs are finally to the wall.... or can't we even do that anymore?
I still have hope........... and if anyone wants to find a good use for it....my rope!!!
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« Reply #70 on: May 22, 2009, 12:18:28 pm »

I am astounded at the latest furore at the Houses of Privilege.

Jonathon Ross, in one of his very rare moments of clarity said, a few weeks ago................ that politicians were like a babies nappy, and should be changed at regular intervals, for exactly the same reasons.

If you or I did anything like the politicians are doing we would be in jail !
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« Reply #71 on: May 22, 2009, 12:19:29 pm »

Some very valid comments, sadly all we have seen, so far, are the "faces" who have exploited the system.
 Mr. Speaker Martin set his stall out when he tried to quash the release of the data (along with others). There are many who have ripped the system off to one extent or another. Anyone involved in this fraud (or is it gaining pecuniary advantage by deceit?) is now, or should be, looking over their shoulders to see who is coming for them. And the commentators are stating that there is an air of depression around Westminster, fears of suicide actions... Ahhhh, poor things.
As you sow, so shall you reap - if there is any justice in this world.

 To me the greatest worry is not the public faces that we have seen exposed for what they are but rather the legions of faceless ones who exist in the dark recesses of the system, quietly plotting and planning their little dirty campaigns.
  From bitter experience years ago I learned a lesson, it's the faceless ones who weild the power and who will do just about anything to keep their people in power.
I do not claim that it is only the one party that has such a setup, no doubt it goes on in all shades of politics.

Calls for a total reform of the system in this Country have been made, fair comment. But, human nature being what it (sadly) is, get rid of these thieves, put a new system in place along with new faces and I'll bet that within a short time someone will start to explore the loopholes.
Choose the saying, power corrupts or all men are equal. Each one has a certain merit in this case.

Join or support a party? With the comedians in Westminster running the show, I wouldn't join a Christmas club if they were involved.
    
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« Reply #72 on: May 22, 2009, 06:37:28 pm »

Hi Malcolm,

Please stick with your model manufacturing for us poor individuals who are not able to make our own fittings etc. As far as floating duck houses are concerned, I'd give it a miss if I were you, I think it's likely to be a bit of a dead duck!!! (pardon the pun!)

Danny
Actually, I rather like the idea of "duck houses". On Tynemouth lake we are generally confronted with underused pedalos as an island obstacle course. They may be ugly to some, but at least their presence relieves the monotony of just sailing willy-nilly around a fairly large lump of water. We also have ducks galore messing up the banks (waterside, not financial...although, just perhaps.....). Being right on the coast we also have herds, swarms, flocks of seabirds and those blessed Concorde things called "swans". All of the above don't give a rats as to where they defecate...messily. Four or five of these "duckhouses" would add a bit of interest to the open water and keep the ducklings (primarily) a bit safer than they are at present. Not too sure how big a swan house would have to be. BY.
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« Reply #73 on: May 22, 2009, 07:17:46 pm »


Dear Bryan,

As to swans, about the size of a 12 x 6 shed!!! O0 {-) Thankfully most of our Labour and other MP's are not into collecting swans so it seems we have come of lightly!!!

As far as I'm concerned, any MP from any Party who has claimed anything 'beyond & above' reasonable items should get the chop with immediate affect. I also agree that no Party - with any principals - can stand in Govt. refusing to resign come what may over anything, when others have fallen for far less in the past - should be allowed to continue(indeed by Consittution). This present obscene shower in power makes sleaze a calculated art, and makes all else before them a complete nothing. {:-{ Without doubt things must change, and preferably without Political Parties... we need good Govt. without factions or divide..... isn't this supposed in it's truest form to be called democracy?

Oh well, some wanted a change 11 or 12 years ago... they didn't half get it!!!

Regards, Bernard

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« Reply #74 on: May 22, 2009, 07:45:04 pm »

I want to see Sir Peter Viggers "Duck Island" and I want to see it now.

Look its right here-

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/5355649/MPs-expenses-on-Google-Earth.html

Its public property, I helped pay for it so why can't I go see it?

I hope he will provide adequate visitor facilities such as parking for coach parties, disabled toilets maybe those headphones that tell you the history of "Duck Island" as you view it in all its purloined glory. Will there be a gift shop, can I get a "I've been to Duck Island" T-shirt or key ring?
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