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[Anchorboy46]

Check this vid out! Just push on this link! Anchorboy http://bassfan.com/tv_play.asp?id=119. Thanks!

[craftysod]

Poor thing,only went for a dip to cool off.
Should have moved boat,not whack it with rod

[oldiron]

Poor thing,only went for a dip to cool off.
Should have moved boat,not whack it with rod

 I agree, live and let live I say. But unfortunately some humans don't see it that way.

John

[w3bby]

Worlds most intelligent species in action!! I suspect if they had left it alone it would have continued past the boat.....

[funtimefrankie]

I think in the interest of our significant number of American members this was perhaps not in the best taste!!
***Moderators***

[ZZ56]

Had they left it alone it probably would've crawled onto the boat.  Land snakes can swim well but get chilled quickly by the water, and it's not unheard of for them to crawl right into a warm boat or canoe if they can. 

Moving the boat would've been more ethical but i don't know if they had the engine on or could've started it in time.

[craftysod]

ZZ56
You and Oldiron have more experience than us with regards to wild animals.
What kind of snake is it,and is it poisonous.You said it was a land snake.
If it is,if i couldnt move boat,let the snake in and jumped in water 

[hucksdad]

Thank you for dealing with that stereotyped and uninformed comment Bunkerbarge.  I chose to ignore it.  However, I don't ignore snakes swimming directly toward my boat because they WILL crawl right in and around here we have copperheads, cottonmouths, and rattlesnakes!  Even the non-poisonous water snakes around here are extremely aggressive. 
Sorry, but me and a snake sharing a 14 foot boat is just way to crowded for my taste.

Hucksdad (from the hills and lakes of the Missouri Ozarks)    

[SteamboatPhil]

I didn't realise that they floated so well. 

[craftysod]

Bunkerbarge has not made a reply on this topic,so if there is a bit of confusion,and i am to blame my apologies.
And to hucksdad,i would crap myself if some of them things came near me
Mark

[hucksdad]

Craftysod:  I believe Bunkerbarge did some editing on one of the posts.  If wrong, I stand corrected.

  I agree with the live & let live in most cases..but on a boat the choice of exits is somewhat limited!   I don't care for snakes, but my wife goes ballistic...has something to do with having one get chopped up and tossed into her hair from a mower as a young girl on the farm!  She has at least learned to just stop and walk away instead of screaming hysterically and running!  All the best and have a great day.

Hucksdad

[ZZ56]

ZZ56
You and Oldiron have more experience than us with regards to wild animals.
What kind of snake is it,and is it poisonous.You said it was a land snake.
If it is,if i couldnt move boat,let the snake in and jumped in water  

They said it was a rattlesnake, a large diamondback.  These snakes are wild animals and in a confined space like a boat, it's inevitable someone will get bitten.  Thankfully they don't live where i do, but even the large watersnakes here can deliver a painful bite if you mess with them.

I didn't realise that they floated so well. 

For some reason, land snakes tend to float higher than water snakes.  I assume this is because water snakes have adapted to dive after fish.  

[ZZ56]

Speaking of wild animals, there's been a small bear poking about our yard lately, even in the middle of the afternoon.

Hope i don't bump into him when I'm out working on the boat.

[keef666]

I was lead to believe a rattlesnake won't want to make contact with a human as he{she} could end up hurt and unable to hunt, so the warn any approaching danger with their rattles, now theres one swimming in the water, i take it the land had flooded and it was making its way to some safer ground, so it was getting tired and if fear of drowning then it might climb on to the boat if not, i would have said once it saw another danger of the two humans it would have swam away,
 the one thing i don't understand is why did they hit it with the fishing rod, as most Americans  seem carry guns why didn't they shoot it, and they were out in the outback, unless they where sitting in a pond in the city]
 where they come across bears, coyote, mountain lions and even fellow humans
 so is this going to upset someone, if it does then i apologize for it but even in the face of danger that creature has the right to live, and you don't kill it just because you might think it could bite you,

[Guy Bagley]

I HAD EXACTLY THE SAME THING HAPPEN A FEW YEARS AGO BUT HERE IN THE UK, NO LIE !

I WAS SAILING AT BLACK PARK LAKE, IT WAS A SUNDAY AROUND NOON AND  UNKNOWN TO ME  THERE WAS A SMALL SNAKE WAS IN THE WATER, MY FISIHING BOAT  ( ABOUT 5 FEET LONG)WAS AT REST ABOUT 30-40  FEET FROM THE BANK,  ANOTHER MEMBER  OF THE CLUB CAME UP TO ME AND SAID SOMETHING HAD SWAM UP BEHIND THE BOAT AND  CRAWLED UP AND ONTO MY BOAT....

 I BROUGHT THE BOAT NEARER THE BANK AND SURE ENOUGH THERE WAS A SMALL SNAKE SUNNING ITSELF ON THE DECK,  IT WAS ONLY ABOUT 2 FOOT LONG AND ONLY AS THICK AS YOUR FINGER  BUT IT DID MAKE ME THINK !
 ONCE THE MODEL WAS BY THE BANK IT DID NOT TAKE LONG FOR THE SNAKE TO DISSEMBARK !

I AM NOT UP ON THE UK SNAKES BUT I GUESS IT WAS A HARMLESS GRASSSNAKE OR A 'LANDSNAKE' JUST TAKING A DIP

[hucksdad]

Keef666:  I had had exactly what you saw in the video happen to me last summer.  I'm not a snake expert, but we do have rattlers, cottonmouths, copperheads and other snakes in my area.  Most snakes will try to avoid you if possible, but some like cottonmouths (also called water moccasins) and our non-poisonous water snakes can be very aggressive.  This particular encounter involved a water snake.  My pontoon boat was tied bow and stern  between two trees about 20 feet from shore.  We were fishing and my wife and I were both standing and casting so there was a lot of movement in the boat.  My wife saw a snake about 10 feet away swimming directly towards the boat from shore.  When it got to within about five feet, I whapped it with my rod tip.  It recoiled, recovered and headed for us again.  I hit it again with the same result.  The third time it coiled up and sank.  Dead or not, I don't know.  We untied and left the area.  He seemed determined to come aboard and I am not willing to share the space.  If he would have swam in the other direction, we would both have been happy, and he would have been untouched. 

Hucksdad
 

[hucksdad]

Keef666:  Just a note here to hopefully promote better understanding across the pond.  I don't have all the statistics at hand, but I think the following is fairly accurate.  By far the great majority of Americans do not carry guns at any time, even when in the woods, unless we are talking about the criminal element.  Many own them (myself included) and many have several (myself included).  To legally conceal a weapon on your person takes a special permit (with classroom instruction and sometimes shooting instruction) from the local law enforcement agency and is generally only available in the more rural states.  Even with a permit, you cannot carry a gun in a bar (pub), school, and many other public places. If I went into town with a six gun strapped on or a rifle in hand, I would immediately be escorted to the local jail.  In a my rural area I can carry a rifle, shotgun, or pistol (in plain view) legally, but I cannot shoot near (I forget the exact distance) any buildings.  Automatic weapons (machine guns) and sawed-off weapons (shotguns under a certain length) are illegal nationwide and you will be sent to prison for possessing them.  In many large cities, you cannot even own a gun and they're the ones with the highest crime rates and most shootings!!   Hucksdad

[keef666]

 Hucksdad, SORRY!  i wasn't trying to paint all our cousins across the pond with the same brush [ watching too much American telly] , its that every time we here of anything with regards Americans you have this gun ho approach shoot first ask questions later  [ again it too much media ]  so sorry again, i am trying not to offend,         but going back to the main thread, i don't care what animal it is, it sickens me to kill unnecessary, [ that includes some types of fishing] and it you watch the clip, these two guys still had time to film what they were doing, so couldn't have been that scared,
 Keith

[oldiron]

 What was going on in the video was death to the animal for trophy sake, not for personal safety sake. Even when the snake was in an in incapacitated state, the older individual on board was not making any attempting to remove the boat from the scene, but rather was more interested in taking a trophy to show his buddies how tough he was.
  To kill for self protection or food is fine, but for trophy puts one at a lower level that , in this case, than the trophy the guy was taking.
 I don't class myself as a tree hugger, but I do have a great respect for animals. They tend to be more human and sensible than the two legged kind.
  Here in Canada we don't have Diamond Back rattlers (that appears to be what was in the water) but we do have Massasauga Rattlesnake which are venomous. They live in the Canadian Shield area and are fairly common in the Georgian Bay area of Ontario.

http://www.massasauga.ca/

John

[oldiron]

 For some great shots of snakes in the water and eagles taking food you should watch this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xf240LcsPno&feature=fvw

John

[hucksdad]

Keef & Oldiron:

Keef - Understood!  Our own media and Hollywood tend to portray us as a bunch of shoot-em-up cowboys.  Kinda like everyone in the UK being either James Bond, Elton John, or living in a castle and clanking around in armor all day!  Just wanted to give the average American who owns and likes shooting guns point of view. Snakes?  If they leave me alone, I leave them alone...happens all the time.

Oldiron - I agree! Never have cared for trophy hunting or fishing.  I used to hunt, but don't anymore.  I like being out in the woods, I like guns, I like eating wild meat, I liked many things from hides and leather, but I never did enjoy killing.  I always hunted with black powder muzzleloaders that I built myself. May even hunt again some day.  Now I fish a lot, keep some for the freezer, but catch and release far more than I keep.
I want to preserve our world and wildlife for my grandkids and future generations.  Hucksdad 

[hucksdad]

Keef & Oldiron:

Ran out of room on that post, but just wanted to say what a pleasure this little conversation has been.  I think common interests, like model boats, give us all a better foundation for understanding each other without the filter of the news and entertainment media.  I haven't had the pleasure to visit either place yet, but I know that Canada is much more than just frozen tundra, and the UK is much more than central London.  Likewise, the US is much more than Los Angeles or New York City.  Those places call us out here in the middle "flyover country"!

Your "Yank" friend,
Hucksdad

[oldiron]

Keef & Oldiron:

Ran out of room on that post, but just wanted to say what a pleasure this little conversation has been.  I think common interests, like model boats, give us all a better foundation for understanding each other without the filter of the news and entertainment media.  I haven't had the pleasure to visit either place yet, but I know that Canada is much more than just frozen tundra, and the UK is much more than central London.  Likewise, the US is much more than Los Angeles or New York City.  Those places call us out here in the middle "flyover country"!

Your "Yank" friend,
Hucksdad

  You're quite right, most places are judged more by the media than actuality. I've traveled over a good portion of the States and found the people to be extremely friendly and helpful. Can't recall having a bad time that meant anything. Been across old Route 66 twice, once on a motor bike, Arizona numerous times, Lincoln highway to Montana, Upper Michigan states numerous times  and the border towns too many times to count. I've got good friends in Buffalo and relatives in St.Petersburg. Although the States is very different from Canada in many ways, I can't say as I've every had a problem with the people. Those that treat the middle of the country as a "flyover zone"......their loss.......BIG TIME.
  The same applies to Britain. Talk to anyone here, and the first thing they think of is LONDON. Sorry people there is far more to Britain than London. Its the place I try and avoid when I go over. (I don't care for big cities).


John

[Bunkerbarge]

Keef & Oldiron:

Ran out of room on that post, but just wanted to say what a pleasure this little conversation has been.  I think common interests, like model boats, give us all a better foundation for understanding each other without the filter of the news and entertainment media.  I haven't had the pleasure to visit either place yet, but I know that Canada is much more than just frozen tundra, and the UK is much more than central London.  Likewise, the US is much more than Los Angeles or New York City.  Those places call us out here in the middle "flyover country"!

Your "Yank" friend,
Hucksdad

I completely agree and having been in the merchant navy all my life I've seen quite a bit of the world and compared it to the media presentations of the places.  The differences can be quite surprising.

Anyway I'm glad you enjoyed the conversation and went just a little bit towards putting one or two points straight.  By the way I once had a girlfriend from Texas, now they are all cowboys!!! (But some of the friendliest people you could ever hope to find!)

[Anchorboy46]

concerning weapons? Maybe it's different in Missiouri than in Texas. I belong to an automatic weapons club. Take a look at this vid and see. We can shoot autos down here with permit.
 This is the main reason we are a free nation. No one will ever take our country away from us. Not even our own goverment. here's the vid- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrXx3QA5YHU. Anchorboy