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hoverboy

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Perkasa Plan
« on: October 10, 2009, 08:18:03 pm »

Hi,

I have a friend who has just go a perkasa 49 inch hull.

He is looking for a plan so as to complete his model.

Is there anyone who has such a plan that they would duplicate? Cost not a problem.

Pete
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andygh

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Re: Perkasa Plan
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2009, 09:27:50 pm »

cost not a problem but copyright might be  :}
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Islander1951

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Re: Perkasa Plan
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2009, 11:21:42 pm »

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Re: Perkasa Plan
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2009, 12:01:28 am »

Copyright is no problem as it will be for personal use and not for any publication  :-))
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andygh

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Re: Perkasa Plan
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2009, 12:05:13 am »

"Copyright is a form of intellectual property that gives the author of an original work exclusive right for a certain time period in relation to that work, including its publication, distribution and adaptation, after which time the work is said to enter the public domain."

Hmm, not so sure
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FullLeatherJacket

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Re: Perkasa Plan
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2009, 08:24:19 am »

"Copyright is a form of intellectual property that gives the author of an original work exclusive right for a certain time period in relation to that work, including its publication, distribution and adaptation, after which time the work is said to enter the public domain."

Hmm, not so sure

One copy is hardly "distribution" - and they have to catch you first and then be bothered enough to do something about it. E-Bay have been allowing some joker to sell plans for my Fairey Swordsman for over a year now, and despite many E-Mails etc have summarily failed to do anything about it. My solution is to offer the PDF file for free.

Ref Perkie, I'm not 100% sure there ever was a full-size plan for this model anyway.

FLJ
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Re: Perkasa Plan
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2009, 10:05:46 am »

Copyright is no problem as it will be for personal use and not for any publication  :-))

I have seen plans that are for purchasers use only, to build only one model.
So the whole area is a little unclear.

Basically, if you copy anything without the copyright owners consent you are probably infringing copyright.
This is what most people do.

The fact that you can go to a library and copy some things is not an exception to this. There are specific industry accepted requirements and limits on copying of this type of material. Just have a look at the notice on the side of the copier.

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Re: Perkasa Plan
« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2009, 11:46:33 am »

I have seen plans that are for purchasers use only, to build only one model.
So the whole area is a little unclear.

Basically, if you copy anything without the copyright owners consent you are probably infringing copyright.
This is what most people do.

The fact that you can go to a library and copy some things is not an exception to this. There are specific industry accepted requirements and limits on copying of this type of material. Just have a look at the notice on the side of the copier.



Copyright, (and parents) are areas where the whole underlying philosophy is under pressure to change due to modern technology.

Originally, these concepts were seen as a bargain between creative individuals and society, whereby someone who created an intellectual concept could be given a limited time to benefit from it before it became incorporated into general use in society. Originally, this time was very limited - a matter of a few years.

A whole industry started up around this, and every time copyright started to run out they pushed to increase this time, so now we effectively have unlimited copyright spans, and copyrights owned by commercial operations which never die. The original creators never benefitted much from this change, but lawyers and commerce did. They created a new idea - that of intellectual 'property'.

I happen to think that this is an evil concept, and appallingly bad for the improvement of humanity (but then I would - my formal training is in philosophy...). Others have thought so as well - notably Richard Stallman. Commerce keeps waving the pretence that this is about giving creators their due reward, and pretends that 'unauthorised copying is theft' - both of which statements I deem to be untrue.

Modern technology has thrown a huge spanner into the works - the ability to copy information items for no cost. It is a standard law in economics that, in a perfect market, the price of a commodity converges on the Marginal Cost - the increase in total cost as a result of producing one extra unit.  The cost of copying a digital item nowadays is £0. So even in theory, the value of information items is non-existent.

Industry, of course, has a different view, and is trying all sorts of tricks to make people pay as much as they can get. In response, Richard Stallman developed the concept of 'copyleft', a kind of copyright agreement which specifically requires people to copy intellectual property for free. Linux, and much other 'free software' is released under this agreement, as are the plans on my site - it's formally called the 'GNU General Public Licence'. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_General_Public_License

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hoverboy

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Re: Perkasa Plan
« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2009, 07:30:20 pm »

Thanks lads for the usefull information regarding the Perkasa Plans. Most helpful.

Regarding the unnecessary comments regarding copy right. If I wanted to know about that I would have asked.

This is the sort of thing that spoils Mayhem. Why cant people just answer the questions we ask and not start getting carried away.

Don't mean to upset anyone but no doubt I will in which case I shall not place anymore posts.
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Re: Perkasa Plan
« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2009, 08:22:58 pm »

So after all of that, has any one got a set of plans that Hoverboy could use ?   :-))
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hoverboy

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Re: Perkasa Plan
« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2009, 08:57:22 pm »

Thanks Steamboatphil.

People got carried away as you  not doubt could see.

I am afraid I have no time for these sort of time wasters
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Re: Perkasa Plan
« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2009, 09:00:45 pm »

thanks steamboatphil -- my sentiments exactly. i feel sorry for this poor bloke who has came on to this so-called "helpful site" and gets this load of crap. only one person has sent a genuine link for possible help, and of course your own question. i have had this happen to me on a couple of occasions when i have needed genuine help and all i've got is "wisecracks" or "sarky" comments. now -- if you know them personally -- you may be entitled to make a wisecrack, if not, and you cannot answer the question asked -- keep your comments to yourself. i have noticed this happening more and more on "mayhem" especially with relative newcomers like myself. i don't see the moderators doing much about it either.
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surabaya

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Re: Perkasa Plan
« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2009, 09:32:12 pm »

hi, I don't have plan's , but if I did I would just give them as a gift then you could give them back as a present,  ok2:} :-))
anyhow about giving this site a try, seems to have a fair bit about required subject.
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surabaya

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Re: Perkasa Plan
« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2009, 09:33:45 pm »

whoops :embarrassed: helps if I put address :D
http://sites.google.com/site/kdperkasa/Home
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hoverboy

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Re: Perkasa Plan
« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2009, 10:57:36 pm »

Hi Surabaya,

Thanks for the info.

I have been onto the site and it is exactly what I wanted.

People like you are true enthusiasts and are the ones that make Mayhem work. Pity about the others.

Some of us with little model boat expedience need all the help we can get and not stupid unnecessary comments.

Thanks again. I will send you a personell e-mail when the dust settles.

Pete
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Re: Perkasa Plan
« Reply #15 on: October 11, 2009, 11:58:58 pm »

I don't see the moderators doing much about it either.

Glowworm, the moderators tread a very fine line. You say we don't do much about it, others say that Mayhem is over moderated.

The moderators' job, as I see it, is to ensure members abide by the rules, to prevent and, if necessary remove, any offensive or inappropriate posts.

In this particular case, I don't believe any of the replies were offensive OR inappropriate. Comments regarding copyright were relevant, if somewhat overstated, but the information asked for was provided, proving yet again the worth of Mayhem  O0

Hoverboy, I hope you continue to ask questions and, more importantly, get the answers you are looking for  :-)

Peter.
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Re: Perkasa Plan
« Reply #16 on: October 12, 2009, 01:46:52 am »

Often topics will go off on tangents. This is normal in any forum, and topics usually get themself back on track.

Sometimes some very useful or interesting information comes out of these alternative discussions.

There are also times where the tangent forms its own topic, and this is when topics are split.
Very rarely a topic is hijacked, and these are also usually split out.
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andygh

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Re: Perkasa Plan
« Reply #17 on: October 12, 2009, 05:37:09 pm »

Missed the wisecracks, has something been deleted?
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Re: Perkasa Plan
« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2009, 10:08:57 pm »

Missed the wisecracks, has something been deleted?

Not by me.

Peter.
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