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rialto1989

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WANTED MINI OR MIDI LATHE
« on: November 14, 2009, 11:02:57 am »


Wanted mini or midi lathe, as I want to do some turnings but do not want to take out a mortgage to pay for the machine. Any help/suggestions on making a purchase for a reasonable priced s/h lathe or would it be a better investment to purchase A CHEAP NEW ONE !
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Re: WANTED MINI OR MIDI LATHE
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2009, 12:59:17 pm »

I have had one of these for a few years, great little lathe, not too pricey for the basic kit, and lots of accessories you can get for xmas and birthdayds.

http://www.peatol.com/

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rialto1989

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« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2009, 02:15:24 pm »

thank you for the info on this machine, looks great. lets see what santa brings !   :-))
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Re: WANTED MINI OR MIDI LATHE
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2009, 05:00:38 pm »

Here is another one that I think is worth considering.  I have one of the earlier ones and I think that they are pretty good :-)).
I believe that they are made in China and several firms sell them under different names.

http://www.warco.co.uk/WM-180-Variable-Speed-Lathe-6D064B881E.aspx

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Re: WANTED MINI OR MIDI LATHE
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2009, 05:26:49 pm »

I've had one of these (many similar models available) for a few years
http://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Machines-Accessories/Lathes/Model-C1-Lathe
No for the purist model engineer, but perfectly usable for the bits I knock up` %) :-))
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Re: WANTED MINI OR MIDI LATHE
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2009, 05:33:38 pm »

I've got the C3 version of omra85s - I think Arc Euro tend to undercut the other Chinese Lathe importers, and I've been very happy with my dealings with them ever since...

http://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Machines-Accessories/Lathes/Model-C3-Mini-Lathe
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Re: WANTED MINI OR MIDI LATHE
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2009, 05:38:22 pm »

As an example of what can be made on the Peatol, the twin oscillator in this thread

http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=20726.new#new

  was made on this lathe.

I have also used this lathe to make a dividing head and cut gears on it.

Drawbacks with the Peatol? all the fastenings are allen screws, no feed screw, no thread cutting ability without conversion.

Ian
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Re: WANTED MINI OR MIDI LATHE
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2009, 05:47:33 pm »

Wanted mini or midi lathe, as I want to do some turnings but do not want to take out a mortgage to pay for the machine. Any help/suggestions on making a purchase for a reasonable priced s/h lathe or would it be a better investment to purchase A CHEAP NEW ONE !


you don't say what you want to turn with the lathe if it's just the odd thing then the Warco machine as advised would be over kill as you would need some engineering back ground to get the full potential of that machine but if you just want to turn some bit's now a again the Arc mentioned elswhere is not bad but you they are a cheap for one reason.
I build 5" Steam loco's so have lots of experience with lathes so I would recommend if buying new a Chester or Warco for a small machine that you could lift out of a cupboard and put onto a worktop http://www.chesteruk.net/store/conquest_lathe.htm or http://www.warco.co.uk/918-Metalworking-Lathe-FCD8D277D3.aspx# or you could find a nice Myford ML10 or Myford Super 7 on ebay with all the accessories for about £800
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Re: WANTED MINI OR MIDI LATHE
« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2009, 09:34:26 pm »

you don't say what you want to turn with the lathe if it's just the odd thing then the Warco machine as advised would be over kill as you would need some engineering back ground to get the full potential of that machine but if you just want to turn some bit's now a again the Arc mentioned elswhere is not bad but you they are a cheap for one reason.
I build 5" Steam loco's so have lots of experience with lathes so I would recommend if buying new a Chester or Warco for a small machine that you could lift out of a cupboard and put onto a worktop http://www.chesteruk.net/store/conquest_lathe.htm or http://www.warco.co.uk/918-Metalworking-Lathe-FCD8D277D3.aspx# or you could find a nice Myford ML10 or Myford Super 7 on ebay with all the accessories for about £800

you must be a big bloke to be able to lift a 918 on and of the bench and put it in a cupboard it weighs 215 lbs or 98 kg the quality of some of the Chinese machinesare now a match to the older UK ones now and the ml10 was never a very good lath in the first place with it's quirky bed.myford are a bit like steam trains (full size) they where very good in there day but things move on.

my opinion anyway.

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Re: WANTED MINI OR MIDI LATHE
« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2009, 11:56:46 pm »

Just bought (few weeks ago) my first lathe- an Axminster SIEG C2A (or C3) lathe- comes with digi' readouts as standard as opposed to the majority.

Its accurate enough- takes a little bit of care/tinkering/practice to get the best out of it but it can be done.

It can take decent cuts in non-ferous, though ferrous needs a few lighter cuts.

The Spindle and headstock are rock solid- the cross slide has a crude but very effective backlash eliminator- however the compound slide seems to need constant gib adjustment and has quite considerable backlash- though this can be remedied, just havn't got round to it yet! The bed is hardened and ground to a very good finish- though i've scraped the compound slide ways as these were quite rough.

One of the digi readouts didn't work on arrival so Axminster sent a new on free of charge.

Havn't done screwcutting yet, but it comes with a comprehensive change gear set so should be a joy to use- the Axminster one don't come with a thread dial indicator as standard- though this is only a few quid.

Overall very impressed with it and i'm beginning to get familiar with it.

Oh, one more thing- the tailstock has a camlock on it- however the bed is a casting, in the middle of the bed it is about 1.5mm shallower (underneath that is!!!!) than at the ends- this means I have to put shims under the camlock to make it grip- not particularly bad as defects go, but annoying all the same.

You wouldn't have that on a lathe you payed double the price for- but two shims and a few lost seconds don't add upto £££'s in my eyes!!!

Have a good search on SIEG and TEIG lathes and have a look at Minilathe.com too.

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tony23

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Re: WANTED MINI OR MIDI LATHE
« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2009, 07:58:33 pm »

Oops! yes your right not the 918 that is a bit heavy I mearnt to paste this one http://www.warco.co.uk/Metalworking-Mini-Lathe-D4121A9297.aspx#
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Re: WANTED MINI OR MIDI LATHE
« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2009, 10:15:18 pm »

Yup - that's Warco's C3. There are several companies importing these machines, painted in different colours but essentially the same machine, all made by Sieg Industries - http://www.mini-lathe.com/Mini_lathe/Sieg/Sieg.htm

Clarke is blue or bright yellow
Axminister is cream
Arc Euro is red
Warco is a very fetching green/yellow
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I think your choice is essentially:

- A very small lathe - Unimat, Peatol, Sherline.....
- The Chinese Seig range - C0 to C6 (though I don't think anyone imports the full line) from one of a variety of importers, all of whom have slightly different prices and fittings...
- A second-hand quality lathe - Myford, for example...but getting hard to find...

Of these, the imported Chinese unquestionably offer the biggest bang per buck. Their 7x12/7x14 lathe is their version of a Russian design which they copied, and though the earlier imports were best treated as a kit of parts which you needed to disassemble and finish off yourself before use, I think their quality control has been getting better as they expand.  One thing that impresses me is that you don't see many second-hand Chinese lathes for sale, so their owners must be reasonably happy with them...

There's lots of advice and reviews on the web - http://www.mini-lathe.org.uk/buying_mini_lathe.shtml or http://www.scale-models.co.uk/engineering-tooling/8147-first-mini-lathe.html for instance....
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Re: WANTED MINI OR MIDI LATHE
« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2009, 10:32:37 pm »

Don't be too quick to say that DD- I thought that too, however Warco claim that the lathes are US built (hand assembled?) Are they really the same as the SIEG c£ or just a close copy?

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Re: WANTED MINI OR MIDI LATHE
« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2009, 10:40:27 pm »

Using a mini lathe and lots of help from a friend I built this:
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Re: WANTED MINI OR MIDI LATHE
« Reply #14 on: November 16, 2009, 12:46:57 am »

Don't be too quick to say that DD- I thought that too, however Warco claim that the lathes are US built (hand assembled?) Are they really the same as the SIEG c£ or just a close copy?

Greg

Ummm. I don't know where it says that Warco lathes are US Built? They say that their circuit boards are US sourced - several years ago there was a rumour that the Chinese boards were not up to the job, so that would have been a good selling point then, but I have heard nothing about circuit board failures for some time, so whatever source is being used must be ok for these lathes now. Several lathe forums recommend US-built boards, so they're probably not uncommon...

I have not studied the Warco lathes, so I would be happy to be corrected, but I think that if it looks like a C3 and quacks like a C3 then it's a Sieg C3. I know of no one making 'copies' of C3s anywhere else in the world, though there is another smaller Chinese manufacturer, Red Bull, I think, who make a similar machine. The original design for the C3 was Russian - the Chinese took it and simplified it a bit (straight headstock bearings rather than tapered rollers...), so you may find a Russian-sourced manufacturer...

However, there certainly were good and bad C3s. I think it's less of a problem now, but in the early days shippers could buy top quality-checked machines and do their own checks, or they could buy seconds or rejects! They probably still can, so beware of really cheap C3s from an unknown shipper, but I think the main reputable names are all quite reliable now. Warco probably addressed this problem by doing their own quality control, so they can claim that their machines are 'unique' - Arc Euro have the different approach of selling either a standard machine or a specially 'tuned' one. As Sieg improve their output quality the advantage of these 'services' will become less - I have a standard machine and am quite happy with it...

A C3 will never be a Myford - they are a typical simple solid Russian lump of iron. However, I think their early poor reputation was partly because their quality was very variable when they first shipped, and partly because British lathe users were used to high-quality sophisticated finish everywhere. If high quality finish on the lathe body and precise repetition work is important to you, then don't get these lathes! But as an occasional hobbyist lathe, I think they do the job well...

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Re: WANTED MINI OR MIDI LATHE
« Reply #15 on: November 16, 2009, 01:13:22 am »

Yes, your right, its a comma, not a full stop, USA made circuit boards!

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Re: WANTED MINI OR MIDI LATHE
« Reply #16 on: November 16, 2009, 12:08:40 pm »

At Harrogate model engineering exibition in 2006 there were five vendors with exactly the same lathe on thier stands.  I can remember Warco and Chester as well as thee others I can't remember the names of.  I looked very closely at the casting marks on them all and was firmly convinced that they all originated from the same place.  The differences were the colours and the accessories that each vendor gave away with the lathes as well as the reputation for after sales service.  I had only ever heard good things about Chester so I went with them and purchased my lathe from them.

You must remember though that, although the quality of Chinese producs has improved there is still a bit to go and I would strongly recommend the first thing you do is strip it down.  I left mine for a few months and then took the saddle apart to find many items with no grease and a dusting of rust and then after a year or so of relatively light use I took the headstock apart.  Many forums advise this and I can now see why.  The inside of the headstock had very little lubrication inside and the reversing mechanism was bone dry.  I cleaned everything up, removed the bearings and replaced them with good quality shielded ones and then put it all back together with some decent grease.  I'm very glad I did because I have significantly improved the smoothness of the operation as well as the life of the machine.
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Re: WANTED MINI OR MIDI LATHE
« Reply #17 on: November 16, 2009, 01:15:31 pm »

At Harrogate model engineering exibition in 2006 there were five vendors with exactly the same lathe on thier stands.  I can remember Warco and Chester as well as thee others I can't remember the names of.  I looked very closely at the casting marks on them all and was firmly convinced that they all originated from the same place.  The differences were the colours and the accessories that each vendor gave away with the lathes as well as the reputation for after sales service. 



Yup, that concurs with my understanding. I think the delivery quality has improved since 2006 - I bought an Arc Euro standard with DRO very cheaply this year, checked it over and it was usable from the crate. But checking is still a good idea with these machines. They could also do with some design improvements like ballraces on the lead screw shafts, and I see Arc Euro have brought out a brass gib upgrade. Usually these improvements make their way into the basic machine after a while - in the early days everyone used to complain about operating the tailstock locknut, mods for a cam-lock were devised and now they are all delivered with this feature..
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Re: WANTED MINI OR MIDI LATHE
« Reply #18 on: November 24, 2009, 11:59:49 pm »

I have heard of a few people who have had the boards fail in some of the lathes with electronic speed control with digital read out, one club member I know of machine failed with such a problem after just over 12 months of ownership and was quoted that in order to have an engineer come up to the North East to fit a new one, he would have to foot the bill for one nights hotel lodgings. I personally could not recommend Chester UK one instance cost me dearly and that was enough also some others on this forum have had similar problems with them.
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Re: WANTED MINI OR MIDI LATHE
« Reply #19 on: December 09, 2009, 02:44:39 pm »

Hi
Just read your want a mini lathe request on the forum,
GIVE A FELLOW A CALL NAMED SIMON AT S.P.G. TOOLS (Tel No 07786182253 ) HE WILL LET YOU GO TO HIS SHOWROOM &TRY THE MACHINES IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT HE SELLS YOU DON,T BUY (any one else let you try what you buy I don't think so).
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« Reply #20 on: December 09, 2009, 04:40:40 pm »

They look quite good - but if they offer a 'try before you buy' I wonder where they are?

Their web pages have 'SPG Hinckley' at the bottom, so I presume they live in Hinckley - but there is no map or address to indicate how to get there, and the phone number given is a mobile...
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Re: WANTED MINI OR MIDI LATHE
« Reply #23 on: December 26, 2009, 09:29:06 am »

have a look at the cj18 100mm/3 Jaw...

http://www.amadeal.co.uk/acatalog/7_X_14.html

this has a 4" (100mm) 3 jaw (most minis have a 3" chuck)variable speed, a digital rev counter display, power feed,imp. & metric screw cutting, a 550watt motor (most mini's only have 300watt)  all for £360

also an indipendant 4 jaw is only £40 due to it not requiring an adaptor plate due to the 4" standard 3 jaw


i am in no way connected with the above company... just after weeks of searching the internet this looked the best value for money :-))


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