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MichaelK

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Steam engines
« on: December 05, 2009, 05:17:50 am »

I'm seriously thinking if building a steam powered boat, about 1 meter long. It will be plank on frame etc, My question is will a steam plant from a Willesco steamroller or something similar be powerfull enough? What about speed control & reverse on this type of engine?
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Mick
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Re: Steam engines
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2009, 05:23:42 am »

any particular Willesco  plant in mind ? there are better boat plants in my view 1 meter is a reasonable sized boat have you got a budget for the plant ?

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Re: Steam engines
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2009, 09:21:30 am »

having read you post again no  a single cylinder of one of them would strugle at 500 mm ..

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Re: Steam engines
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2009, 09:45:15 am »

Two things- firstly this thread belongs in the 'steam' section where it will recieve more viewings from the relevant members.

Secondly- why do you feel that the Wilesco route is the best route to a model steam launch for you?

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MichaelK

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Re: Steam engines
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2009, 10:44:08 pm »

Thank you Peter and Greg.
In reply, (1) no particular plant, just a generic type that was around when I was a kid, (about 40 yrs ago!)
(2) I was a bit afraid that one of those wouldn't have the "grunt" necessary
and (3) MONEY!!! (or lack of) <:(
I guess I'll just have to start looking seriously for a more suitable engine
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Re: Steam engines
« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2009, 11:03:46 pm »

Have a good search on Google, and READ BACK THROUGH THE POSTINGS ON HERE!!!!! There are many options out there, many not as expensive as you'd think.

Keep us posted.

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Re: Steam engines
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2009, 10:11:09 pm »

Yes this thread is better off in the steam section but thought I might throw something in whilst it is still here.

If you can get hold of a Willesco stationary plant.. the large one.. and remove the engine unit from it, this would probably move your boat around for you. The single cylinder unit is double acting and has a slip eccentric operated piston valve, the cylinder proportions are something like 10mm bore and 20mm stroke. Now, although the single cylinder engine is not the best way to go, if you just want to get something steaming and moving, it should do the job. The flywheel was quite large and the rod assembly quite long, it may look a bit ungainly and you won't have reverse as an option but it comes with a sensible sized boiler and has a reasonable bit of grunt to turn a screw in a boat of that size.
 If you like messing around and having a go on a tight budget, this might be one avenue worth exploring. having said that, you will probably be looking at a 'spares or repair' engine if you don't want to pay proper prices for a fully up and running machine.

Shame really, I flogged one of those engine units on e-bay a while back as it was just hanging around. I used to lightly run it up on a little compressor so the grandchildren could tie things onto the crankshaft and watch it go round. These engines do come up on flea bay now and then.
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Bunkerbarge

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Re: Steam engines
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2009, 11:17:59 pm »

As has been suggested this may generate a bit more of a response on the right board so I've moved it here.

There were some useful links posted on a thread asking about books for beginners that you may find interesting here:


http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=21088.0

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Re: Steam engines
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2009, 11:46:09 pm »

As one who has built a working steam tugboat with a Wilesco plant, I would advise to save more money for a better steam plant. A Wilesco will work (in my case it was the d49) but to bring it to an acceptable level of performance requires modifying it and buying additional accessories (a serious burner, oiler etc.) and the final expense would close to the cost of a better quality steam plant.
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Re: Steam engines
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2009, 03:39:19 pm »

Steam plants will always cost more than the electric equivalent (although they will also last a lot longer) and if you are starting from scratch then there are a limited number of possibilities.

I have not seen one in the metal, but the Graupner 2 cylinder IST-L plant looks like a useful package and is not too badly priced. Krick also do a suitable plant; The Alex, as do Stuart Models, although the Pintail is expensive by comparison and lastly John Hemmens.

Buying separate engine and boiler is likely to cause you a bit of head scratching, unless you have a local steam enthusiast, simply because in order to put all the relevant 'bits n bobs' together, you really do need some knowledge of what you are buying.

If you have workshop facilities and can machine, then more possibilities open up to you, with engine casting kits.

The alternative is to do what one of the other posters has done and to build up a model, with temporary electric drive and then convert as parts / finance become available.

There are a goodly number of knowledgeable people on the forum, between us I am sure we can get you started in the right direction.

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