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benjaml1

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The Sun will come out tomorrow.... (Stuart Turner 'Sun' engine)
« on: December 11, 2009, 11:09:14 pm »

Well, After my brief escapade with the Stuart Turner D10. ( fantastic engine if built well) I have secured a "factory machined" un-assembled Stuart Turner Sun. Well... it looked a little rusty in the pictures & I was assured it was just surface rust, indeed the critical components were just so. Twas all jumbled in a box but everything was there in excellent condition except the tower shaft eccentric bushing. After much research, got with a company specialising in robotics & have a nice ball race coming for the same duty. Stuart Sun comes into the 21st Century... :-))
OK, This is a little jewel, factory machined or whomever, I would like to shake the mans hand who did the machining.... Simply superb.
Being an I/C man I have/am going about the "head" porting & polishing. Old habits are hard to let go of I'm afraid, noooo I'm leaving the timing as is. With the right boiler ( Nice Mr Mac is building me one) this little jewel should just sing...

Pics will follow as soon as my dear wife gets me off christmas tree/lights/ornament/decoration duty....
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Re: The Sun will come out tomorrow.... (Stuart Turner 'Sun' engine)
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2009, 11:27:15 pm »

Now you need a lovely long slender hull and a quick turning big pitch prop and you'll be the envy of all!!!! :-))

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Re: The Sun will come out tomorrow.... (Stuart Turner 'Sun' engine)
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2009, 12:11:51 am »

Gone the other way, big beamy hull with lots of displacement to actually look like a boat on the water instead of a bobbing fishing float.  I was torn in your direction though... :-))
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Re: The Sun will come out tomorrow.... (Stuart Turner 'Sun' engine)
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2009, 09:46:51 am »

 <:( Supose we'll have to wait till my full size design model is built to see a fast model steam launch again!!! :-))

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Re: The Sun will come out tomorrow.... (Stuart Turner 'Sun' engine)
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2009, 11:00:10 am »

Looking forward to it.... :-))
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Re: The Sun will come out tomorrow.... (Stuart Turner 'Sun' engine)
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2009, 11:08:58 am »

Yeah, get a move on Greg. :}
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Re: The Sun will come out tomorrow.... (Stuart Turner 'Sun' engine)
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2009, 05:51:50 pm »

Starting to clean up quite nicely. May paint it GWR colours but definitely insulating & going with mahogany planking on brass .....  :-))

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Re: The Sun will come out tomorrow.... (Stuart Turner 'Sun' engine)
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2009, 08:47:48 pm »

looks great, I bet this would look really good anodised....

Greg
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Re: The Sun will come out tomorrow.... (Stuart Turner 'Sun' engine)
« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2009, 11:35:26 pm »

Cast steel I'm afraid, so can't anodise.... The Stuart Turner "Star" has an aluminium block. I'm going to open up exhaust side, that darn top 5/16" fitting is too restrictive ( low pressure= big ports) in my book. Most likely convert it to 8mm in a similar configuration as the Star..  :-))
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Re: The Sun will come out tomorrow.... (Stuart Turner 'Sun' engine)
« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2009, 10:17:32 am »

Hi Benjaml1

What a shame about steel- aluminium one anodised red would look SO cool!

Yes, always big port for the exhaust- especially on a high speed engine- do you mean 8mm bore or M8 thread? You have to comprimise between steam velocity and backpressure- you obviously want as little backpressure as possible, however you also want a decent steam velocity otherwise you'll just have a fountain of condensate coming out of the exhaust!

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Re: The Sun will come out tomorrow.... (Stuart Turner 'Sun' engine)
« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2009, 10:23:33 am »

Points to consider, thank...  :-))
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Re: The Sun will come out tomorrow.... (Stuart Turner 'Sun' engine)
« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2009, 10:37:35 pm »

Any ideas what oil I should use in the sump, it being enclosed ? The same as in the displacement lubricator ?....

Ta... :-))
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Re: The Sun will come out tomorrow.... (Stuart Turner 'Sun' engine)
« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2009, 12:27:20 am »

Bearing fitted to eccentric drive, cleaning up, checking & fabricating gaskets. Dummy assembly before modifying the head to reduce back pressure. Loving the way this engine goes together...

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Re: The Sun will come out tomorrow.... (Stuart Turner 'Sun' engine)
« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2009, 07:43:15 pm »

HI Benjaml1,

Progressing well! :D

Regarding oil- I take it the Sun is single acting?

If so you will need an oile that runs emulsified as it WILL get water in it.

If not then steam-gearbox oil for Sentinel steam lorries will do just fine.

Morris Lubricants are the people to get in touch with.

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Re: The Sun will come out tomorrow.... (Stuart Turner 'Sun' engine)
« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2009, 07:51:14 pm »

Yes, single acting... Thanks for that Greg...  :-))
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Re: The Sun will come out tomorrow.... (Stuart Turner 'Sun' engine)
« Reply #15 on: December 28, 2009, 08:08:13 pm »

Went with two separate 8mm exhausts, a straight shot from the spool valve. Doing some cleaning up of rough edges etc. etc. getting ready to paint and assemble....Didn't like the two holes in the crank case so went with risers. One will have a cap and dipstick the other will be a covered vent. Had to kick them out like that to allow access the cylinder cover screws.

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Re: The Sun will come out tomorrow.... (Stuart Turner 'Sun' engine)
« Reply #16 on: December 28, 2009, 08:54:38 pm »

Interesting fact, way back when in the early days of flash steam tethered hydroplanes (1930-ish) they ran the steam in the other way ie where your exhaust is they used as an inlet and the inlet as exhaust. I did this on my engine some years, and on flash steam you do get a bit more oomph, you tend not to get much difference when using a boiler though.
With regard the oil for the crankcase, as Greg has said Sentinal Gearbox oil is good, but failing that Hypoy 90 gear oil is perfect, I have been using this (as did my father and grandfather) in all of our enclosed (and indeed open crank ) engines and never had any problems. A good tip as you have the engine apart is to paint the inside of the crankcase, it does help. You will also need to drain down and flush the engine through (I use petrol) at the end of a days running to remove all the emulsified oil from the crank case (I put a 1/2 tapped hole in the base plate) then pump some steam oil in the exhaust and turn the engine "backwards" a few times to pull the oil into all the valve gear etc.
Some of this may be obvious, just thought I would share.   :-))

Good work,keep us up to date
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Re: The Sun will come out tomorrow.... (Stuart Turner 'Sun' engine)
« Reply #17 on: December 28, 2009, 09:06:49 pm »

Thanks for that Phil, these little gems of knowledge passed across the decades/centuries is what it's all about... :-))
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Re: The Sun will come out tomorrow.... (Stuart Turner 'Sun' engine)
« Reply #18 on: December 30, 2009, 11:01:37 pm »

Got the exhaust fabbed up, most likely going to insulate and or tone it down a bit but the extrovert in me favours the shiny bling..... It's going to connect to a centrifugal separator, oil/condensate dropping out and being collected in a tank, with the separator freely exhausting to atmosphere

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Re: The Sun will come out tomorrow.... (Stuart Turner 'Sun' engine)
« Reply #19 on: December 31, 2009, 02:14:52 am »

Those 6 bolt brass flanges look the part... :-))

1) are the flanges DN 1/8" or DN 5/32"....& are the bolts 8 BA?
2) will you be using paper gaskets or synthetic gasketing [Hyperlon] ?
3) did you make them or are they comercially available? [Winfried Niggle .de] in Germany manufactures model flanges...however I suspect yours are of a smaller sizing

I have not seen a model centrifugal oil seperator...so it is best to try & maintain as much heat in the exhaust steam to ensure the highest drop out rate at the condensor....& stainless steel [tubing] can be very un-forgiving in heat transfer

Keep us posted with more .jpgs as you progress  : O0 .... many Mayhem members are very keen on steam articles.......Derek
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Re: The Sun will come out tomorrow.... (Stuart Turner 'Sun' engine)
« Reply #20 on: December 31, 2009, 10:29:29 am »

I bought the 20mm flanges for 8mm tube from Model-Niggel and they are little jewels.... Supplied are gaskets and bolts :-)) Centifugal separator works on the principal of swilring condensate/steam around the inner circumference of a drum vessel. This is a static device, the gasses entering at a tangent to the inner vessel wall. Heavies are separated by centrifugal force and drop to the bottom to be collected/drained or in the real world steam trapped... :-)) I like the ridgidity of stainless tube together with its poorer thermal conductivity properties compared to copper....
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Re: The Sun will come out tomorrow.... (Stuart Turner 'Sun' engine)
« Reply #21 on: December 31, 2009, 06:25:47 pm »

I bought the 20mm flanges for 8mm tube from Model-Niggel and they are little jewels.... Supplied are gaskets and bolts :-))
Does he have a Website?
Did he do the elbows too?
It looks absolutely fantastic.
Regards,
Gerald.
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Re: The Sun will come out tomorrow.... (Stuart Turner 'Sun' engine)
« Reply #22 on: December 31, 2009, 08:35:15 pm »

The elbows are 8mm Yorkshire GHD Elbows for cryogenic liquid oxygen use. I paid 40 quid for 6 but that's a steal as they're normally double that. Bit of an overkill but they're the dogs..  ok2
The flanges are here ... http://stores.shop.ebay.co.uk/Modellbau-Niggel__W0QQ_armrsZ1
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Re: The Sun will come out tomorrow.... (Stuart Turner 'Sun' engine)
« Reply #23 on: December 31, 2009, 08:48:39 pm »

7 hours work customising the cylinder jacket. I may put a few more copper rivets on the bottom band to make it look balanced... Retired with weeks of terrible weather, this hobby stops you going crazy I spose... :o

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Re: The Sun will come out tomorrow.... (Stuart Turner 'Sun' engine)
« Reply #24 on: January 06, 2010, 09:57:51 pm »

No Postie for a couple of "daze" so working on the engine-boiler bed.....Two brass plates surrounded by containment bund/frames mounted on two 5/8" sq brass rails....Wooden engine pad decking, spaced for drainage to surrounding recessed "gutters", to be copper riveted ( when Postie brings my 1/16" drill bits..) to simulate nails. Total length, 500mm  :-)



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