Topic: Me and my Model Boats (Read 7937 times)

Martin (Admin) · « **on:** January 14, 2010, 09:07:31 am »

Well it the middle of the British bleak mid winter and it looks like it here to stay...... for a very long time!

So what is your current model boat you are working on eyeing up for purchase?

DickyD · « **Reply #1 on:** January 14, 2010, 09:34:08 am »

Only one vote Martin ? I have done several of them.

I am building the Model Slipway Maggie M at the moment.

http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=21646.0

dodgy geezer · « **Reply #2 on:** January 14, 2010, 10:03:21 am »

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RTR / out of a box?
Kit?
Part Kit?
Hull only?
Plans Built?
Scratch built?
Own design?

Um...

I design something. That means drawing a plan which I work from. It will then be scratch built, and at various stages it will be just a hull, and then a bit more. Some recent boats have been intended as kits, either part or full, for other people to make.

Finally, when all that doesn't work, I go out on ebay and bid for a vintage Sutcliffe or Triang boat, which comes in a box....

SteamboatPhil · « **Reply #3 on:** January 14, 2010, 11:23:35 am »

I design and build my own, however as it too b***** cold to go down the workshop, I'm building the Model Slipway Clyde Puffer on the dinning room table at the moment.
Nice and warm and right next to a rad

dougal99 · « **Reply #4 on:** January 14, 2010, 11:44:56 am »

Martin, What's the difference, in your view, between scratch building and building from a plan? In my view these are the same thing. Interested to hear what others think.

Cheers

Doug

in rainy Huntingdon

Tug-Kenny RIP · « **Reply #5 on:** January 14, 2010, 12:02:27 pm »

I have gone for the PART KIT option because I figured that we'd all like our boats to look similar to the originals, but invariably alter them in some way. This can be by badly cut (or designed) shapes.

It is nice to achieve a good build, but something always goes wrong which means we never get them to look as good as the designers intended. What is needed is generally the correct shape parts for us to build upon, ie Hulls and various shaped attachments and we can get on with the hobby of actually building.

Ken

omra85 · « **Reply #6 on:** January 14, 2010, 12:05:01 pm »

What about those of us who are sailing the balmy seas round the Far East (11 Mayhemmers known so far)

How about a "Virtual" category

Cheers
Danny

dodgy geezer · « **Reply #7 on:** January 14, 2010, 12:36:52 pm »

Quote from: dougal99 on January 14, 2010, 11:44:56 am

Martin, What's the difference, in your view, between scratch building and building from a plan? In my view these are the same thing.

The way I am interpreting these at the moment is that the critical thing is what exists when you start work on the boat:

RTR / out of a box? - Boat is substantially operational when you get it. It might be factory made, or by another modeler.
Kit? - Boat comes as a set of parts to be assembled. Most are there, maybe not motor/propshaft/rudder.
Part Kit? - Boat comes as set of major parts, probably including hull and tricky shapes, but some essential simple parts are missing.
Hull only? - Boat hull is bought, perhaps with plan or without, and the rest of the boat has to be obtained elsewhere and made up.
Plans Built? - Boat plans are obtained on their own, and all the rest of the materials have to be obtained elsewhere.
Scratch built? - A modeler wishes to build a model of an existing boat and develops his own plans from the full-size prototype.
Own design? - A modeler has an original idea for a model boat and develops his own plans for it.

But I would guess that, in our lifetimes, we have all done most of these at some point....

Martin (Admin) · « **Reply #8 on:** January 14, 2010, 12:51:10 pm »

Yeah, that looks a good definition to me DG.

dougal99 · « **Reply #9 on:** January 14, 2010, 01:14:59 pm »

Interesting DG. I've never considered drawing the plan oneself as an essential part of scratch building. I've always considered starting with nothing but the plan as a scratch build. Hey ho, each to his own.

However, I'm finding building from ones own plan a lot more work than building from a published plan, even when you think the plan is finished you find something you missed as you try to turn it into a model.

Getting there slowly.

Doug

dodgy geezer · « **Reply #10 on:** January 14, 2010, 02:44:00 pm »

Quote from: dougal99 on January 14, 2010, 01:14:59 pm

Interesting DG. I've never considered drawing the plan oneself as an essential part of scratch building. I've always considered starting with nothing but the plan as a scratch build.

The devil is in the detail. As C E M Joad would say, 'It all depends on what you mean by...'

You could build a boat from the little 'cut-out' plans I have put on the EeZeBilt site, and I would suggest that what you were really doing was assembling a kit. Equally, you could obtain scale plans of the Titanic from Harland and Wolfe, and create something that is not only 'scratch-built', but probably includes a lot of your own design for the hull structure and access ports...

Looking at what I wrote, I should have said - "Plans Built? - Model Boat plans are obtained on their own..

Bryan Young · « **Reply #11 on:** January 14, 2010, 06:34:26 pm »

I try to build from the original ship-builders plans whenever possible. I've been foiled twice. First time was building RMS"Discovery", and had to buy a plastic kit and upscale (x3) all the bits. Second was with "Bluebird of Chelsea" as a built it like just about everyone else did..from the "model Boats" plan. But 2 out of 13 isn't a bad ratio. BY.

nemesis · « **Reply #12 on:** January 15, 2010, 01:22:49 pm »

Hi, I build mine from Ship or Boat yard drawings, scaled where appropriate & I consider a scratch bult model
is where the builder has made everything. It really p****s me off when talking to others & you find that
they have bought this & that & pass it off as their own work or do not declare it when entering a competition.
My thoughts only Nemesis

tonysmoke · « **Reply #13 on:** January 15, 2010, 08:02:25 pm »

<:(i,am building a 48in scratch built narrow ,boat this one will be static made out of bits and bobs found in my shed, cheers from jersey c.i

The Antipodean · « **Reply #14 on:** January 15, 2010, 08:08:13 pm »

I had to change my vote as all of mine are from plans, at least the hulls are.
What category does plan built hull and freehand superstructure come into?

I do have to scratch build a lot of my stuff as it is 1:16 scale and there is not a lot of fittings available at that size.

des321 · « **Reply #15 on:** January 15, 2010, 09:03:41 pm »

I recently finished a scratch built Springer tug and have built a Griffin 600 hovercraft kit over the last couple of weeks. I got to test fly it today at my local village hall. What fun. I got 45 mins on a really steep learning curve. I think I now know how to drive the thing. So its down to the lake on Sunday.
I am now going to start building the Metcalfe Mouldings Moonbeam pond yacht. A club member's wife is kindly making the sails for me. I hope to have it ready for the March winds!

Damien · « **Reply #16 on:** January 15, 2010, 10:17:35 pm »

RTR / out of a box?
Kit?
Part Kit?
Hull only?
Plans Built?
Scratch built?
Own design?

Yes to all of these, my first boat as a 12yo, scary when i thought about that's 45 1/2 years ago was a scratch built own design airscew driven wedge flattie, Tiapan 1.5cc diesel as i recall.

Damien.

PS. should have been able to select all 7 for an accurate poll it was hard picking just 3

Peter Fitness · « **Reply #17 on:** January 15, 2010, 10:44:18 pm »

I'm still in the process of building the Armidale class patrol boat, although it's been too hot in my shed lately (for the benefit of all you snowed-in northern hemisphere dwellers

), so I've been doing some work on my model railway instead. In between visits to the beach, that is

Peter.

steamboatmodel · « **Reply #18 on:** January 15, 2010, 10:45:29 pm »

What model boats have you owned? (Voting closes: March 15, 2010, 10:18:33 AM)
You may only select up to 3 options.
RTR / out of a box? I have picked up run and modified a few of these.
Kit? have done numerous kits
Part Kit? have seriously modified some
Hull only? I think that goes under the same as Part Kit
Plans Built? The last three I generally lump together, I have build exactly to plans, Modified plans to make for more stability or equipment space.
Scratch built? I think that if you are building form plans unless it came from a kit with pre cut parts you are Scratch Building.
Own design? I did a fare amount of my own design when I was doing fast electric (when I started it was the only way), I have now gone back to doing steam, which again has included doing all of the above again.
Regards,
Gerald.

hover tim · « **Reply #19 on:** January 15, 2010, 11:06:49 pm »

this is my project at the moment http://www.flickr.com/photos/19759955@N07/sets/72157622240841942/

dodgy geezer · « **Reply #20 on:** January 15, 2010, 11:30:21 pm »

Quote from: steamboatmodel on January 15, 2010, 10:45:29 pm

Plans Built? The last three I generally lump together, I have build exactly to plans, Modified plans to make for more stability or equipment space.

Scratch built? I think that if you are building form plans unless it came from a kit with pre cut parts you are Scratch Building.

The only way I could make a decent distinction between the last three was to assume that:

'Plans Built' means 'Model Plans Built'. So here you are cutting out model parts to a plan's directions, and do not have to do any design work in building the ship. But you do all this from raw materials.

'Scratch Built' means that you do not have any indication of what model parts to make. You may have hull lines or original full-size drawings, but it's up to you how you want to design the internal structure of your model. The external appearance is provided for you.

'Own Design' means that you do not initially know what the external appearance will look like, and you must first design that. Then you can design the model structure, and then you can cut out material and build it...

Wasyl · « **Reply #21 on:** January 16, 2010, 12:23:49 am »

I,ll have to say yes to Out of a Box,as I can,t build,I just buy other builders creations,
boats bought recently include Deans Marine Komet,Aero-Naut Prinz Eugen,Vliestroom,Tsekoa,

Wullie

Perkasaman2 · « **Reply #22 on:** January 17, 2010, 01:44:49 am »

I have no preferences as such, however I have only owned two model boats under 48 inches, a scratch 36" vosper mtb twin prop electric I built 20 odd years ago and a 40" loyal class fleet tender I got from a friend. My interest is fast naval/service craft WW2 to present day. I realised a long time ago that smaller size models, although attractive on the building bench, drastically shrink once they are in the water. The larger 1:12 lifeboats at 50 ish" are particularly impressive both out and in the water. It's my taste, but few suppliers offer versions/hulls at this size for many of the craft I am interested in. I am very happy to buy a hull/kit providing it's accurately scaled, however this is not the case with my present choice, the vostper RTTL. I've been researching and hunting a hull since last June without success so I'll have to scratch build at 1:16 to get the size I want - a necessity rather than a choice. Wish list would include large rnli Arun and PT-late Elco 80.

des321 · « **Reply #23 on:** January 17, 2010, 10:57:42 pm »

Here are a couple of pics of my just completed Griffon 600 hovercraft. After trialling it in my local village hall on Friday i took it to the lake today. WOW!! The lake was covered 80% by ice. This has to be the perfect surface for getting a hovercraft up to speed. I would guess she got close to 30mph. I even performed a successful rescue of a club member's boat that was caught on the ice. No other craft could have done that today.

toesupwa · « **Reply #24 on:** January 17, 2010, 11:40:04 pm »

Only three 'selections' allowed?..

But i have built from 5 of them in the past..

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