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bobdoc

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Hemmens kits and engines
« on: June 12, 2010, 08:36:58 pm »

These kits and steam engines look good and are advertised as of being of good quality. I wonder whether any of you have experience of either or both.

I am on the verge of retirement and thought to award myself a present to recognise the occasion - actually one of the few occasions when I will have a "lump sum" available which does not need to meet immediate family needs.

Though expensive, these items, with all the add-ons, would be likely keep me occupied in my workshop [shed] long enough to let the questions die down.

Does any Mayhemmer have any experience of these kits and/or engines? I would not want to fritter away what capital I have!

I value your thoughts, folks

Best wishes

Bobdoc
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bbdave

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Re: Hemmens kits and engines
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2010, 09:18:14 pm »

I have owned a Maxwell Hemmens engine it was an excellent engine extremely well engineered and worth every penny the kits i'm not so familiar with they do look very pricey compared to equaly good kits out there, if i had the cash i would go for the engines but look elsewhere for a kit only my opinion though.
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HelgeBe

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Re: Hemmens kits and engines
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2010, 09:56:47 pm »

bobdoc,

May I suggest that you put this question in the steam section. You will then probably get a lot more feedback.

HelgeBe
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Bunkerbarge

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Re: Hemmens kits and engines
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2010, 11:00:49 pm »

An excellent question Bobdoc and you are quite right to be cautious with your funds.  Steam plant and steam models are very expensive and you need to get together as much information as possible before parting with your money.

I would suggest your options are along the lines of the following:

1) A complete kit from the one vendor such as a Hemmens Lady Jayne with plant or a Marten Howes and Baylis model with plant included.  This has the advantage of a single point of contact for the boat and the plant and the kit will be ready made to accept the engine and boiler.  Both manufacturers supply comprehensive kits of laser cut parts and options of building techniques, i.e. fibre glass or plank on frame hulls, with fittings.  Although I haven't built a kit from either manufacturer I have seen examples first hand and both produce very good quality models.

2) A steam plant complete from one manufacturer and a kit from an alternative one.  This opens up more options as you can then choose from a wider range of available plant but still have a single point of contact for the plant.  Monahan Steam Models in California and Graupner both do complete steam plant with matched boiler and engine with pipework and auxilliaries with the Graupner being available in the UK from Modeldockyard.  You can then choose your model boat from a wider range of alternatives and can consider putting the plant into one of the many larger kits available from such manufacturers as Model Slipway, Mount Fleet Models, JoTiKa, Mobile marine models, etc..etc..  Disadvantages here though are the fact that the models are not specifically designed for a steam plant and you will have to adapt the kit yourself, requiring that bit more work and modifications.

3) Put the plant together yourself and put it in a kit.  You can then buy the boiler, auxilliaries and engine from different manufacturers and put it into whatever hull takes your fancy. This will require a lot more input from you as you have to ensure that the parts of the steam plant are well matched and suitable for the model.

4) Finally do the whole lot yourself and scratchbuild as much as possible.  Very satisfying but obviously requires a degree of skill, equipment and knowledge that not every one has available.

I understand your desire to put together a manufactured kit as you will undoubtedly end up with a beautiful model that should be relatively straightforward to put together however there are a couple of points worth remembering.  Marten Howes and Baylis have a reputation for superb model boats and thier Vigilant is stunning to look at but you will not be able to see the engine in operation as it is enclosed.  They also now use Anton engines, which are French, so after sales service for the engine might not be quite as straightforward.  The Hemmens Lady Jayne is a beautiful open launch, which shows off the boiler and engine to it's best, but in all fairness an oscillating 'V' twin isn't probably the most attractive of engines so your're possibly not making the best of the opportunity.

Just as a suggestion I think a Hemmens Lady Jayne hull with a Monahans 'Sparrow' plant would be an excellent combination and give you a beautiful model to enjoy looking at both on the shelf and on the water.  The Lady Jayne is a lovely model and with a fibre glass hull is a straightforward build and you have good open space to fit and display the steam plant.  The 'Sparrow'  is a small twin piston valve engine, which is very attractive to look at but still maintains the convenience of being able to operate from a single channel.  Having an in line crank with two piston rods and two valve rods makes for an interesting engine which is conservative with steam and easy to operate.
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Re: Hemmens kits and engines
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2010, 11:21:43 pm »

Have a look at Monahan Steam Models they are now the standard all other's need to try to reach, have a look at the Birth of there latest engine on hear the owner is also a member and someone who has given help to other members, as far as Hemmens is concerned , what is currently calling himself as there have bean a lot of name changes also keep clear of Hemmens oscillators as they leak from the steam faces terribly.
MHB kits do not have to have Anton engines they can have whatever make of engine you like in.

peter

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Bernhard

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Re: Hemmens kits and engines
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2010, 11:56:40 am »

Hi.....And The Engine from Graham...you get a real nice engine from Robert..and a super service...and to a    :-))    price,,, ,1 or 2 cylinder....   http://grahamind.com/store/page1.html
and Fore boilers,,,,,,,,,,,,,Mike from Maccsteam is just the Mann   http://www.maccsteam.com/
And The Anton from France..........you dont get eny problems, to get  parts or services from them.............super duper engine,,, :-))       http://www.anton-vapeur.fr/
here is one  mine grahams

Regards Bernhard
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kno3

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Re: Hemmens kits and engines
« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2010, 12:28:20 pm »

Bernhard, your Graham looks great now. It's hard to recognize it is a modified Graham, were it not for the valve gear  :-))
You should make a separate topic with all the modifications, so that others can find inspiration in it
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Re: Hemmens kits and engines
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2010, 08:19:34 pm »

Hi Bobdoc,

Good advice already been given but the best advice is CASH IS KING so when you do decide to take the plunge don't accept what is put in fronT of you by the sellers as they are all feeling the pinch and need to make that all important sale. If they want your business they will give discount so make sure you get a decent discount too and not fobbed off with some extras that they throw in to make it look good.
Once you are happy then part with your cash..................there are some great deals out there but take your time.
Your only going to do it once........I hope.

good luck to you and enjoy your steam in the coming years of retirement.

Cheers
R
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« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2010, 09:00:31 pm »

Hi Bob, here are few images of my LADY JANE Build to date. I keep meaning to get her finished but I have so many other things on the go I know its there waiting to be done. Maybe this year.
Just thought you might like to see how a kit comes along when they all come from the same company ok.

Cheers
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