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triumphjon

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Re: Legal Aerokits plans?
« Reply #75 on: August 17, 2010, 08:12:37 pm »

shop is in portsmouth , hampshire . which is my local model shop !
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« Reply #76 on: August 17, 2010, 09:42:13 pm »

Hi Dekan, no dont know any prices did not ask, often wonderd where all the marine diesels went , you can get hold of almost any aero engine have a few myself but dont see many marines. Saw Vic Smeed at the last O.W.  had a chat with him,  as i was flying one of his ff tomboy designs, a great guy always willing to give advice. Dave   
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Dekan

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« Reply #77 on: August 17, 2010, 09:56:14 pm »

Hi Dave. I have spoken to Vic only once.. he a friend of another friend of mine, Mike Parker, he builds most of Vic new prototypes..
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RonP

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« Reply #78 on: August 24, 2010, 10:08:32 am »

Just thought I would put my twopenworth in on this one for what it is worth, I have been a draughtsman since the 1960s both on the drawing board and on CAD these days and 10 grand is a lot of money for a drawing. A good freelance draughtsman (2D) will cost you around £20/hr these days, that will get you a good bloke who knows his subject and can work quickly and accurate.
so ten grand represents 500 hours work or best part of 3 months FULL TIME. Now I drew up the plans for my own subs some years ago, Resolution, type XXI, Ohio, Surcouf, etc etc
and not one of them took more than 50 hours including frame lines and all the research needed to complete them so either Kiwi is a very slow draughtsman or not a profesional, however he is right in that people do seem reluctant to part with money for scale plans yet are quite happy to pay out very large sums for grp hulls that are not accurate as for the plans for the aerokits boats I would be suprised if there was more than a days work in any of them.
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« Reply #79 on: August 24, 2010, 02:29:05 pm »

I think that the current cost of drafting a set of plans is not the issue here at all. This is not about someone being paid for work they have done - no money from this will be going to the original drafter of the plans.

This is about someone owning reproduction rights to an item of data, and selling reproductions for what he thinks the market will bear. If that price is high, the market will be small, and then will collapse. And then the plans will no longer be reproduced, and may die out completely...
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Dekan

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« Reply #80 on: August 24, 2010, 07:48:40 pm »

Doesn't anybody read my posts :}  Aerokit plans the originals should be available from JoTika for nominal  money..I got 3, the Sea Commander,the Sea Rover and the Sea Scout for £7 + a few pennies....

I can't stop guys donning the hair shirts and discussing the cost of draftsmanship, but imo apart from having to work out the bulkhead shapes...Isn't this subject pretty well sorted?
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« Reply #81 on: August 25, 2010, 06:37:54 am »

How about this then   legal plan from http://www.myhobbystore.co.uk/product/16697/fairey-huntsman-mm680    nice paper/good print  etc £9 95

ripped off copy on ebay from the biggest rip off merchant  http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/FAIREY-HUNTSMAN-model-plans-/370424272009?pt=UK_ToysGames_RadioControlled_JN

bidding starts at £14 99

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« Reply #82 on: August 25, 2010, 11:59:37 am »

Thanks for that Peter, saved me a few quid there, but hang on, can't I buy a copy of one from the illustrious designer who resides on THIS forum for about a fiver? Or has he seen the error of his ways and succumbed to capitalism and increased HIS prices??   :D

  Regards  Ian.
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« Reply #83 on: August 25, 2010, 12:45:58 pm »

Thanks for that Peter, saved me a few quid there, but hang on, can't I buy a copy of one from the illustrious designer who resides on THIS forum for about a fiver? Or has he seen the error of his ways and succumbed to capitalism and increased HIS prices??   :D

  Regards  Ian.

He didn't design this one, this is the old 42" Veron one, but with all the parts and bulkheads on the plan
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« Reply #84 on: August 25, 2010, 01:17:38 pm »

Naa, that one was designed by Vic Smeed, he never designed for Veron, that was Phil Smith.

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« Reply #85 on: August 25, 2010, 01:53:51 pm »

Regarding Copyright. This doesn't seem to apply in Modelling Worlds. I was, upto a couple of years ago, involved with Casting small scale(1/72) Military models, figures and vehicles, Plagarism is rife. A good Master of a Vehicle will cost upwards of 150 pounds. Figures about 70 or so. Cost of a Master Mould in Silicone, another 50, Producing moulds in hot press silicone the same.That is for the silicone blank. The hot press machine will set you back 500 quid. Then there are the costs for the Centrifuge and oven also in the 3 to 4 hundred range. So there is a considerable cost just to get one figure on the market, The master is destroyed making the moulds, well the vehicle masters. So then to casting (Metal around 10 pounds a kilo and sales, packing, ads etc. All adds up! Then the punter sees 4 figures in a bag and complains at the price of a fiver! If the series or vehicle is a sucess then by the next show there will be near copies, or blatent copies by others. makes you spit! I once, just for fun, made some coathooks for my wifes dollshouses, included them in my next mould and we sold them to friends in the dollshouse scene. Within a year they were copied and sold under half a dozen brand names.
 I still have all the machines, and some metal, but no one is making white metal bits anymore, all Resin and made in Poland or Czech Republic.
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« Reply #86 on: August 25, 2010, 05:02:33 pm »

I'm sorry, but my take on copyright; is that it's only worth something if you have the money and the ability to pursue anyone who infringes it :o
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« Reply #87 on: September 09, 2010, 07:59:57 pm »

8 pounds for a print???  Tosh. Find another printer. I just paid £3 for an architectural firm's receptionist to do me a copy of the Dumas Vinyard and I also got a copy of the Aerokits Crash tender.  Yaboo to copyright!
hi all
just one thing, if aerokits or dumas now wanted to take legal action, you have put it in writing on a forum that also has all your details stored.
so they will come down hard on the forum, this has happened at least 2 times on a batman modeling forum i am on.
so be very carefull.
all the best
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« Reply #88 on: September 10, 2010, 06:27:52 am »

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« Reply #89 on: September 10, 2010, 07:31:42 am »

Nordsee.....says..... "no one is making white metal bits anymore" ...could this also be related to OH&S  <*<....with the lead content of what is loosely termed as white metal?

I tend to think the only acceptable method of melting such metals under current Work Cover rulings would be in a vacuum furnace.......& then operators with all of the regulation breathing apparatus etc .....Derek

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Re: Legal Aerokits plans?
« Reply #90 on: September 10, 2010, 10:36:37 am »

I understand that the 'white metal' fittings in modern kits don't contain lead.

Resin is becoming more popular as it is lighter and the latest versions can reproduce as much detail as their 'white metal' counterparts.

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