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[triumphjon]

following on from a post of has anybody made the crossing , WOULD  ANYBODY be interested in making a crossing during august of this year ?

[offshore1987]

Yes i would :)

[triumphjon]

ive sent mail to the local harbour master , along with two of the clubs organising the classic event in august , hopefully we will know more by early next week !

[offshore1987]

Sounds good 

I asked my mum about the event  and shes doing the 1.3 worlds on the same date i think it is, so is not helpin to run the cows one ( kinda a shame lol )

Im guessin you have sent an email to QHM ( steve ) i know the QHM n will mention it to him when i see him next 

the only concern i have is the size of batterys we would need to make it from portsmouth to cows, ovb doing this on a fallin tide would be the best way to go because that will give us the best chance, and then crossin the shipin lane to southampton might prove intrestin and delay us if there is ship movement

would at a guess say we would probs av about 5/6 mph? Thats a real guess of the top of my head, i know are boats would go faster than that but if something gos wronge and we need to stop for anyreason that will cost us alot of time, i would think a few hours at least to get across, from ports to cows

dan

[triumphjon]

yes an email has been sent to QHM  to see if they will allow us to make a crossing , i think the saturday would be more interesting for us as the full sized powerboats are in the pits @ cowes awaiting the dash to torquay on the sunday ?

[Colin Bishop]

It’s an interesting concept although I don’t think you can just say we will go on such and such a day as it is convenient. The tidal and weather conditions will largely dictate when and if you can make the crossing. There is up to 4 knots of tidal stream across Cowes entrance at Springs and you don’t want to be bashing against that!

Ideally you want to pick up the ebb off Portsmouth in the morning and ride it down to Cowes as it will then do most of the work for you. Where are you planning to start from? If inside the harbour on the Portsmouth side at say, Gunwharf, you will have to cross over to the Ballast beacon at Gosport (first requesting permission) before being able to exit the harbour on the western side and the narrow entrance can become quite congested and choppy as the locals will know.

Your actual route from there will be determined by looking at a tidal stream atlas but my inclination would be to head along the coast a bit towards Gilkicker and strike out directly for Cowes until you reach the main buoyed shipping channel. Cross this at right angles as soon as it is safe to proceed and then turn west again. At this point, if you have calculated it right, you may be able to throttle right back and let the tide carry you along under the protection of the Island shore for the last few miles at maybe 3 knots or so. A potential problem is that the prevailing wind is usually westerly which can kick up a nasty chop on a falling tide. Unless it has some north in it you should still be protected until you reach Cowes entrance when you will need to punch against the ebb to get in, presumably to one of the marinas. Like Portsmouth, Cowes entrance can be quite congested but in a small boat you should be able to sneak in through the yacht moorings on the eastern side before joining the main channel.

I think there may be a requirement that you do produce a passage plan. As well as QHM you may also need to inform Southampton VTS.

Colin

[offshore1987]

I found that a funny read 

We can either leave from gunwalf or camber quay on portsmouth side, or just go from haslar marine ( it would still be called portsmouth to cows ) once in cows ovb we would be going to cows yacht haven, as thats where the pits will be 

Have sailed, powerboated all over the solent so a route will not be a problem

As to what you said on going on a willy nilly date, hes tryin to plan it the same date as an event already set up so we would need to go on that date or it wouldnt make much sense?

All the best

This post isnt ment to sound sarky, so sorry if it dos

[Colin Bishop]

Well, you never know what people will find funny! The point about the date is that if it turns out to be blowing half a gale and the tide is in the wrong direction then it may not be a practical proposition. I assume you are talking about full size fast power boats. If so then you can pretty much ignore the tides but in a much slower boat where the tidal stream is anything up to 100% boat speed then you have to work the tides. I have done the trip many times in a yacht, cursing the people in the big power boats who think it's fun to give you a bouncing. I've always consoled myself that it must cost a tremendous amount of money to make a hole in the water that big.

The weather in the Solent is rarely just what you would like it to be so you have to plan for that. In fact, for decent conditions you may have to wait until the 'cows' come home!

Colin

[offshore1987]

The weather is always changin i agree, i think the type of boat would need to be fairly light, about a meter and with a closed deck

I have been across in all maner of diffrent types of boats over the years, Many a time in my first yacht a 19 foot prelude, the smallist and slowist boat i have been out in the solent in, is my kayak ( out to the forts and what not ) I work in portsmouth harbour bringin in all the container ships to and from the port

I think it could be a very good trip, but it depends on how many do it.  Some boat will want to do it faster and some slower so there will always be problems 

[triumphjon]

the idea is to coincide with the cowes classic powerboat event in august , also taking place at the same time as the cowes -torquay endurance race . i know we cant plan the weather , but can only hope for favourable conditions .

[craftysod]

This is interesting,
I would like to take part,dont know if any of my boats would make it,good fun for a worthhy cause.
Mark

[John Mk2]

Would a refuel or battery swop be allowed if the boat does not leave the water ?

[triumphjon]

i cant see a problem in either a refuel  or battery changes , what type of craft were you thinking of ?

[Colin Bishop]

Leaning over the side of the chase boat to do this in a typical Solent chop could be interesting to say the least....

Colin

[John Mk2]

I can do interesting 

[offshore1987]

I would be takin an inboard rib so its easy and safe todo changes, but tbf i duno if it makes sense to swop batts or to top up? Would it not be better to try and do it in one go, that would be more of a feat 

Just thinkin anyone with anyboat could do it if you could change batts n that but its way way harder to try it on a single batt or bit of fuel, a real boat wouldnt stop in that distance to get more power lol

But ovb i dont mind doing this if its what everyone wants

[nhp651]

I have been watching these two posts with interest, and have come to the conclusion that you guys need a few pointers on the collection of monies from the general public.
haveing been secretary of Fleetwood's RNLI fund raising committee for a couple of years, some years ago it would seem to me that you might need some info on Protocol.

IF COLLECTING FOR THE RNLI you will firstly need to notify them of that collection or sponsored event.

They as a charity have to protect themselves legally in every way possible to prevent someone claiming against themselves in the event of an accident to the third person whilst collecting in their name, and as such you ALL have to sign indemnity clauses to state that you will not and cannot make such claims for property or injury INCLUDING  death whilst doing so!.

You will NOT be allowed to collect in public places and this is against the law of the land should you try......this is because all charities have to gain liscences to collect in a certain area, and usually councils will only allow ONE liscence per area per year...........just to give all charities an equal chance...there is no exeption, and should you be found collecting in public places, those councils could/will prosecute for begging and vagrancy.

You are only allowed to collect in private places such as inside shops( if they will allow)pubs , clubs and other private places which can be restricting depending on where you wish to do the event.


You first have to go via the RNLI headquarters in Poole who will emailyou a form to fill in with the indemnity clause and doo's and don't of the event and collecting, and then they will notify the regional office who will contact you with regards to official sponsor forms....you can't use your own on this matter, and then will ask if you want the help of the local RNLI, the RNLI womens Guild of the area and if they can supply you with official stickers and such.

IT ALL TAKES TIME I started organising this Loch Ness do last September for the officialdome of it.........so if you ARE SERIOUSLY PLANNING  such an event, then I suggest that you make good formativwe plans very soon and then submit to the RNLI...they won't grant you a liscence for official collecting on their behalf, if your trip isn't planned well with safety aspects in place AND if there is a risk to life and craft.

Just thought you might want to know about the pitfalls of collecting for the RNLI.
After all their job iss to save lives, NOT to put lives in dangeron their behalf.

[offshore1987]

didnt even notice he said about doing it for them  Im just wantin to do it because its something diffrent

[triumphjon]

it hasnt actually been sugested that we make the crossing in aid of any charity ,

[triumphjon]

ive received a reply from the qhm , who would like to know numbers of boats and chase boats  involved , as well as proposed routes for the crossing . they would like this as an events plan before they can tell us whats required from us as participants , there could also be a charge of £150 ! . could all those interested in participating please let me know , so that i could send a proposal into the harbour master ?

[nhp651]

it hasnt actually been sugested that we make the crossing in aid of any charity ,

if you are planing on making your own model boat crossing its kinda steeling my thunder

plus i have my hover pass wich works and weekends so if we get to the other side and something goes wrong i can run back on hover and come back and forth

again any one intrested contact me thinking about it the bigger the numbers the safest it will be and if its big enough we could do it for a charity this could turn into a big thing if enough people are intrested but theres the problem mentioned it needs a lot of planing but pm me if intrested
This model would make the crossing take a look      http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=27895.0.

actually from KK's own quote and idea of such a sail, which you, triumph john, seem to have hijacked in some way by posting a similar thread to run concurrently

[6705russell]

Mmm... bandwagon and jumping spring to mind....a lot of thought has to go into something like this or it could all go horribly wrong if not planned out right like Neil said, good luck though if you manage it..

[offshore1987]

I REALLY dont see what all the moanin is about, its a bunch of like minded people from the south that have come up with tryin something.

Do you have lights in your house or a car because someone else infact came up with those so stop hijackin there idear, bunch of kids lol

 

[John Mk2]

  On this now 

[offshore1987]

indeed

As for tryin it, if a list of names start im up for doing it