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[Colin Bishop]

To be honest, at the moment  I don't think you have the solid and knowledgeable support you need to make this project a viable one.

Colin

[john s 2]

Sadly this appears a bit chicken or egg.The answers you require do not appear forthcoming until people are
commited. Members may not want to commit to they know whats involved. I can say that Ive been reading
the posts and would have likely travelled down to give support and have a day out. John.

[Colin Bishop]

It's not just a question of being committed, it's also a question of competence.

Ideally in the chase boat you need a couple of people to manage the boat itself and perhaps two more to look after the model. If you are going to change batteries along the way then you need people who can deal with a situation where the chase boat and model are both bobbing up and down. The model will need some sort of quick release mechanism for access to the interior to effect the battery change while the model boat handlers will need to be able to deal with it at close quarters without depositing their breakfasts into the model as it is in these conditions that the effects of sea sickness are most likely.

Colin

[nhp651]

Triumphjon,

You cannot expect people not to be sceptical, when both you and kk are at each others throats, [  unlike some people i have been asking those in authority]   with both of you "organising" very similar sailings, one trying to out do the other at every conceivable moment, and neither showing any form of "black and white on paper" organisation.

I certainly wouldn't want to travel for hundreds of miles for a weekend jaunt, only to find out that it had been cancelled for one reason or other, due to lack of concrete organisation rather than just ideas on the back of a fag packet.

sorry, but you have to see it from our point of view.

[triumphjon]

"xxxxx" the bloody lot of you ! its the last time ive anbything to do with you sad pesamistic "xxxxx" ever .

[offshore1987]

I just think its an easy thing thats been made hard by people comentin

[boater12]

"xxxxx" the 'blinking!' lot of you ! its the last time ive anbything to do with you sad pesamistic "xxxxx" ever .

Not appropriate for a family forum

Can you not see when people are trying to give advice ??

Will be interesting triumphjon when more input is added to this thread to see if you will hold back and not add input, unless if the moderators or admin deem it fit to ban you for a while  

Jim.

[triumphjon]

let them i really dont give a poop !

[john s 2]

As far as i can see. Its a free world. One kid had an idea.Jon tried to bring it to fruition. At the stage he was
at, he no doubt was still taking advice and planning. To put him down before he has concrete plans seems to
be uncalled for. Members have rightly raised concerns. All these questions would im sure have been answered given time. He himself was looking at a different route. Yes jon was not wise to have posted
as he did. But i can understand his frustrations. I hope that Jon will continue. I wish him luck. John.  

[boater12]

let them i really dont give a poop !

Childish behaviour.

Jim.

[nhp651]

"xxxxx" the 'blinking!' lot of you ! its the last time ive anbything to do with you sad pesamistic "xxxxx" ever .

you cannot blame people for not trusting their lives on your virtually none existant organisational skills..

GET REAL MAN.

[john s 2]

Given time im sure he would have got real. Why do you persist in being rude? Why did you not try to
give constuctive help? To say what you have appears to have the affect you no doubt wanted. People like
you dissapoint me. Wait until his plans were finished. He needed help not your comments. John

[Colin Bishop]

As someone who has had experience of cruising the Solent at the sort of speed that one might reasonably expect from a model boat I have not been impressed with the quality of posts on this topic which have ranged from the blase to the ignorant. If you want to do something like this then you need to know exactly what you are doing, have a properly worked out plan and then practical experience to back it up with appropriate safety measures in place. The authorities will expect no less and rightly so. They already have enough on their plate without having to deal with a bunch of well meaning incompetents. The sea can be a dangerous place, even in the Solent, ignore that at your peril. Something like this can be done but not on the basis of the comments posted to date I'm afraid.

Colin

[john s 2]

Colin. I fully agree with what you said. You have no doubt a lot of experiance and have raized important
questions.Which given time should have been answered. Sadly some members always try to put others down. Instead of trying to support. This sadly is an english traint.John.   

[triumphjon]

whatever ! ive been around water since i was around the age of 14 , mainly using model boats but have also had experience of working on a few full sized vessels , living alongside a river with the second highest rise and fall in the world im well aware of what water can do , and its tidal currents . having spoken to a committee member of the full sized power boat club , who are enthusiastic about some models making a crossing to coincide with the full sized endurance event i put the suggestion to the modelling world . However until those who would be interested in taking part can give a firm idea that they would like to make an attempt im unable to get any ideas of costs involved . should a notice to local mariners need to be issued the queens harbour master here will require £150 plus VAT  ! i can understand that to most modellers august is quite some time away , but events of this nature need to be planned in advance ! its of no use to either of us to wait until a week or two beforehand and expect the powers that control shipping in this area let several slow models and chase boats wander around in one of the bussiest shipping lanes in the area ? ?

[nhp651]

Why did you not try to
give constuctive help?  He needed help not your comments. John

i gave triumphjon ample advice on preliminary organisation with regards to the doo's and don't's of doing this in aid of a charity such as the RNLI and had it thrown in my face........i'm not one to mince words, and won't offer a second time when rebuffed publicly.

i think it's a half baked idea that really stood no chance of getting off the ground, purely and simply because all the preliminary planning was not done in the first place, and as a past helper within the RNLI, i feel it is a duty for me as a human being with care for my fellow man, to warn of the danger of half baked ideas like this.

you wouldn't go climbing Scafell Pike WEARLING FLIPFLOPS AND SHORTS ON A SUMMERS DAY, SO WHY PLAN THIS ON A WHIM AND EXPECT OTHERS TO FOLLOW BLINDLY.


Sadly some people don't like to hear the truth.....they are the ones who either get hurt or cause others to get hurt because of their bad planning, and this, AND krafty kids idea's are accidents waiting to happen, with possibly fatal consequences.

[boater12]

This sadly is an english traint.   

Explain more please John .......

I am not trying to put anyone down but stupid comments and swearing by using xxxx word is out of order for a family forum  

There is no chance I could ever organise such an event as to cross the Solent, I can barely cross the road after a few pints ! but the comments made by triumphjon are far from needed.

Jim.

[offshore1987]

I am fed up with this now, i could do this trip tomorrow if i wanted, but im going sailin on my own yacht in the solent  

Colin your help is not help at all... Blunt but imo true

As for sayin you would need to tell the shipin, why? A yacht doing 3 knots dosnt need to tell anyone that hes crossin the outa channel ( if you new anything at all thats worth knowing, you would infact know all this )

It really dos get to me, people saying oh its blase. No its daily happenins for some of us that work in portsmouth harbour dealing with container ships, have been boatin their hole lives, and has been in the solent sinse born, on almost every type of craft going Yet you still feel the need to try and say everyone must be ficker than yourself? ( least this is how it comes across ) I agree some people should not be on the water, but dont brush us all with the same stick

Some people   lol

This was an idear that was put on to see if people wanted to give it ago, not lets all jump on it and destroy it ( sad times )

[Colin Bishop]

As for sayin you would need to tell the shipin, why? A yacht doing 3 knots dosnt need to tell anyone that hes crossin the outa channel ( if you new anything at all thats worth knowing, you would infact know all this )

No idea what you are talking about(!) Sorry! What's an 'outa channel' for heavens's sake? It's not marked on my charts.

Colin

[boater12]

With all good intentions, could a moderator clear up this topic, good luck and good planning for the proposed crossing.

Jim.

editied by me, I should have said 'CLEAN' up this topic 

[boater12]

Am i allowed to post this ??? ;

A pm from triumphjon ;

PM's are as the title - Private Messages
Jim.

I am in now way trying to upset anyone, just looking at advice given should be taken in   Nhp651 seems to be clued up with charity events

[Shipmate60]

This topic has gone way off track now so am locking it to allow emotions to cool

Bob

[tigertiger]

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[Martin (Admin)]

A further topic clean-up.

This project can still be salvaged Triumphjon, you just need a bit more 'due diligence' to reassure ( re-a-shore!)  people that things
are actually in hand.  I realise you don't have firm plans yet  but the concept sounds... sound! (Plymouth!). The Solent is the haunt
of old sea dogs such as Colin and others, so take on-board their experience and use it to your advantage.

Triumphjon, come up with a firm proposal and present them here on the forum. It could be a simple as:

1. I have written authority from (whoever).
2. The route will be.......... (Portsmouth (actual point,) via xxxx, arriving Cowes (actual point,) - distance 2 - 20 miles.
3. Depart 12:00, 1 June 2011. (Pre-entry by 1 May)
4. Costs £500 ( QHM fees, chase boat hire + fuel, donation to charity) - to be shared between participants.
5. Boat expectation..... anything you wish but must be able to sustain a minimum speed of XXmph for xx minutes.
6. 'elf & flakey'. All on water participants must use approved life jackets. Boats/participants  must have a valid  insurance certificate.
7. Boats must have external grab handles, external kill switch / electrical cut-off, fluorescent deck or flag to aid navigation,  
   sustainable floatation (in case of a sinking), bow fender. etc.

 .... again these are just suggested rules /guidelines. Those with some experience will be be better able to guide you.



 You will always get 'nay-sayers' Triumphjon  but they won't take part but others will see what you are attempting and
  will want to take part.

New / different ideas are never readily accepted but don't let that put you off.

Even if you attempt it on your own you will have the satisfaction of success or will have died trying!!!!


    Martin.... just trying to be positive!