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[johno 52-11]

The problem with ether Lesro re-introducing the kit or someone else buying the moulds and doing it is that you will have to do a minimum run on all the parts say 100. If once you have done that you need to be able to sell half of them to get your investment back and only then could you make a profit. The Atlantic 21 is an old design so what happens if someone else brings out a kit for the Atlantic 85 when you have only sold half your stock are you going to be stuck with it as people by the Atlantic 85 because its more up-to date. Knowing the sort of money they are asking for the Atlantic 21 moulds I would rather invest that in getting the moulds made for an 85 and bring out a new kit for that.

By the way Bat44 great build look forward to seeing it on the water.

[fatcat123]

Models by design do an 85 mould dont they?

[nhp651]

The problem with ether Lesro re-introducing the kit or someone else buying the moulds and doing it is that you will have to do a minimum run on all the parts say 100. If once you have done that you need to be able to sell half of them to get your investment back and only then could you make a profit. The Atlantic 21 is an old design so what happens if someone else brings out a kit for the Atlantic 85 when you have only sold half your stock are you going to be stuck with it as people by the Atlantic 85 because its more up-to date. Knowing the sort of money they are asking for the Atlantic 21 moulds I would rather invest that in getting the moulds made for an 85 and bring out a new kit for that.

By the way Bat44 great build look forward to seeing it on the water.

that's not quite so Johnno.....they do all their vac forming and moulding plus injection moulding in house so I have been told by them, and the only thing they have to buy in quantity arte boxes......if they sent them out in plain boxes with a pic on as most uk model kit manufacturers do these days, they only need to send them in generic boxes cutting down the cost, and could do as minimum as they wanted......I can't understand why they don't do it.

neil.

[bat44]

i have asked how many of these kits were started and finished over the years, it's funny how we seam to wont these old kit now.I kind of agree with johno as well as nhp651 about re-introducing the kit again, but then the best way to keep the cost down is not to supply all of the running gear just the mouldings and the printed card and a couple of the drawings.But as this is not a beginners kit how many pepole would buy it,Evan with the cut backs to the kit it will not be that cheap, then you will have to put your own running gear in and to get the best out of this kit you we have to go with a brushless motor with a good set of nims or lipos. As a matter of interest i was told that lesro could be selling up is this true or is it just a rummer? it would be nice to see allot of these old kits for sail again but at what cost. If you want to know i paid 30 pounds for the kit from my local model shop but then i did twist he's arm   

[nhp651]

you got a bargain then....,

but I must contradict on the best form of power being brushless. they were fine on the motors that came with them.......after all, they ARE  a scale model and  anything over a scale 32 knots flat out ( and how many lifeboats work flat out for any great percentage of their time at sea going to a casualty.......very very few I can assure you of that..........???) is wasted IMHO.......they are what they are, scale model lifeboats...not offshore racers....... unless of course you fit them for space, and then you just may as well go for micro receiver/servos/esc's etc.

you paint them in a very bad light, Bat44, and they really are not as bad as you say, or keep bleating on about.

I've built one in the past and have another unmade one that awaits construction down the line, and I never had any trouble with mine......the only criticism I ever had was that the sponsons could have been formed from 1.5mm plastic instead of the 1.0 mm that it is...........but if you want costs to be lower then you have to accept that.

[unbuiltnautilus]

you paint them in a very bad light, Bat44, and they really are not as bad as you say, or keep bleating on about.

Bit strong, dont you think, Bat44s no sheep! I have seen the build so far and it is going very well, vac-formed models can be problematic at times, this particular model dated back to the early 80s, I know, I sold it to him. Over the years the formings can twist out of shape if packed tight in the box. However, having built a number of Duplex/Lesro/HFM models over the years I can attest to the excellent design and build quality of these models.
So as long as the Bat can resist getting bogged down on which shade of black to paint the model, I wish his build all the best

[nhp651]

Bit strong, dont you think, Bat44s no sheep! I have seen the build so far and it is going very well, vac-formed models can be problematic at times, this particular model dated back to the early 80s, I know, I sold it to him. Over the years the formings can twist out of shape if packed tight in the box. However, having built a number of Duplex/Lesro/HFM models over the years I can attest to the excellent design and build quality of these models.
So as long as the Bat can resist getting bogged down on which shade of black to paint the model, I wish his build all the best

the build is excellent, no doubt about it,

 .............and we all come accross problems when building, be it either kits or scratch, but one of the fun parts about modelling is to overcome them, and by overcoming those problems, you get better and improve.......it's called "the learning curve"

if they all went together like airfix kits, there would be absolutely no fun in it what so ever, but why moan about every little part that doesn't fit to another,.get on and fix it, but don't complain about it.

if i had a quid for every "fault" i had to overcome when building a kit, i would have been able to retire a rich man....no point in moaning, every kit has it's foibles and quirks, and they'd be no fun or help to better ones self if they didn't.

[nhp651]

Models by design do an 85 mould dont they?

yeh Dan....but it's at 1;10th scale...........and traditionally as you know model lifeboats should be at 1;12 scale.....has been since 1884 and the national competition to build an unsinksable self righting boat..........and i'm a stickler for not wanting change, lol

[bat44]

as the builder of this kit i think i have the right to have a moan about how this kit go's together, if they can do this in the boat mags then wy not here ?  I'm not the only one to moan about this kit as well as praysing it surly if some one wishes to build this kit is it better to have some one to point out problems then say it's the best kit in the world. As i said this kit is not for the beginner but some one with some experience, but saying that i bet some one has built this kit as their first boat. As towards the power set up the build instructions state the model is designed to run on 9.6 volt using a cyclone motor plus a receiver power pack, witch is a good set up but dose add a lot of weight to the boat, so by using brushless power means better power to weight performance, and as to the speed you can turn down the performance to give you more scale look. I do believe tho that a slightly higher than scale speed makes this type of model look allot better on the water, and no i'm not a speed freak but speed sometimes can be a good thing. Can i just say that no kit go's together like an airfix kit not Even an airfix kit, yes i might moan allot but i'm having fun on this build but if we do not moan how is the maker of the kit going to move forward on their product especially if you want them to be released again

[triumphjon]

like you batt i remember the kit not being the easiest to build when i did mine in the nineties , and with the developments in both batteries and motor performance it would be wise to make use of this to make a better performing model , as its better to have too much speed rather than not enough !

[johno 52-11]

yeh Dan....but it's at 1;10th scale...........and traditionally as you know model lifeboats should be at 1;12 scale.....has been since 1884 and the national competition to build an unsinksable self righting boat..........and i'm a stickler for not wanting change, lol

Neil,

I'm with you on sticking to 1/12 but I know of an earlier date .

The usage of 1/12 can be traced back to 1850 when the Duke of Northumberland's competition and the request for a model to be submitted at the scale of 1 inch to the foot, some of the entries where displayed at the great exhibition of 1851.

On the subject of motors as some of you will know I built my Atlantic 21 with working outboards which are now fitted with brushless motors and can get to scale speed.
I have seen many models fitted with the intended motor set-up and they perform well. I have also seen boats fitted with higher power brushless and that seem to have a problem coping with the extra power and go along with the bow constantly lifting then slamming back down then lifting again. I have looked at this and think it is down to the positioning of the prop which at the speeds of the old motor is fine but being forward of the position the hull is designed to have its power is the cause of the problem.

[nhp651]

i'm going senile, john......god knows why i put 1884 into the equation......had just been watching ZULU,  on tv and my brain must have been befuddled by all the action, lol

[bat44]

ok back onto the build up next the pilot for the rib

this comes as a 4 part mould and has to be clued together,with a dry fit first a lot of clean up is needed for a good fit then pleanty of filler for the caps



as you can see when built and put onto the boat it brings it all together.
as this boat has a bolt down hatch it makes it hard to get at the battery for charging so a built in charging lead was made

[bat44]

the switch is used as part of the charging lead as well as making the boat safe



it looks a mess but after moving the speed controller to the rear of the boat it fits allot better in side the boat



a quick test to see if it works ok no bangs so on to the next bit paint

[wartsilaone]

Nice model! If this is why you asked about black paint. I think you should use whatever colour the real boats are and forget about what people have said. It's your model you can paint it how you like.

[Zebra]

Nice build.
Certainly looks the part.
I had a fibreglass hull for a 21 a few years back but stupidly got rid of it,it was even in orange gelcoat.
Look forward to more of this build.

Steve.

[bat44]

thank you  Zebra and Wartsilaone it has being a pain to build at times but has being fun to make now comes the hard part the paint, so up first a coat of good old hallfords plastic primer then let it harden for a couple of days



here's a pic of the new batteries for the boat as the old set died

[nhp651]

did your kit come with the screws for holding the main deck in place,  batt or did you scource your own......i don't have any in my kit, and i bought the first i built with a deck already fitted.

cheers

neil.

[triumphjon]

i would hope that bat has changed the screws that may have been supplied , our water in this part of the world is brakish or pure salty , plain ms rusts before your eyes !

[nhp651]

cheers tj....same up here in Fleetwood.
neil.

[Bibo]

Hello everyone,

i am writing you from Germany. In 1985 i made some detail pictures of the B-531 - Waveney Forester.
If you are interested, please tell me.

Greetings from Germany
Bibo

[nhp651]

hi bibo.

i would very much like to take you up on your offer of some photos of a 21..the craft are very rare here on station these days and getting detailed shots are hard to come by..........i'll pm you my email adress, and again, many thanks.
neil.

[bat44]

hi nhp651 yes my kit did come with the screws but i will swap them for the none rust type when i can find some

[Bibo]

I hope you have fun... 

[Bibo]