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Peewee

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Bow Thrusters
« on: May 05, 2011, 07:33:19 pm »

Hi All,

Could anyone recommend a quality bow thruster make/supplier.  igts for a 1/144 Atlantic Conveyor.

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wartsilaone

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Re: Bow Thrusters
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2011, 07:47:26 pm »

I used a Raboesh Paddle type unit on my ferry, works ok in normal conditions. If you decide to go down this route, choose the largest tube diameter you can get away with and buy a pack of spare paddles.

Ali.
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Re: Bow Thrusters
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2011, 08:01:54 pm »

I too installed a paddle version in my tug, lasted all of 5 minutes before the damn thing fell off. I made the mistake of not leaving room to get the motor out  {:-{

Dan
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Re: Bow Thrusters
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2011, 08:27:06 pm »

Here's the best way to get a bow thruster without to much hassle in making up parts...

Cut a tube either plastic or brass/copper to the required outlet size, cut a round disk out of plastic card or brass and glue or silver solder (if gluing use something like epoxy resin on both sides which will make the joint extra strong)  it half way between the length this is the divide for left and right thrusting action.

now on each side of this divide drill a hole and tap in a nipple which can hold a rubber tube of a reasonable diameter (6-8mm if you can). so far the cost is minimal as some stock or scrap parts, now for the expense go to halfords and buy a window washer pump ( £10) there normally in a solid black casing, you can wire this motor up to either an esc for full proportional control or on a simple on off system, plug you rubber tube onto the nipples either side of the thruster assembly you created and each end to the pumps nipple input and output, and bingo one bow thruster that cost £10 and can be easily replaced at little cost, the sub boys use these to power there ballast systems in static diving models so im sure they can vouch for there reliability.

I've included a real rough doodle of what it should look like so don't get stroppy about it  %%

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Re: Bow Thrusters
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2011, 08:48:42 pm »

I apologise now for being a totally thick non-electrical person, of advanced age, I can see it pumping one way but how do I get it to go the other way.
Answers in plain English with a very rough pencil sketch please. :D
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wartsilaone

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Re: Bow Thrusters
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2011, 08:56:36 pm »

A speed controller would do the trick.

Ali
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Roadrunner

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Re: Bow Thrusters
« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2011, 09:02:38 pm »

Yup a speed controller will do the job ( that will be forward and reverse for the non technically minded) or you can use micro switches to pump the water one way and flip it into reverse to pump the other if u don;t want proportional control.
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Re: Bow Thrusters
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2011, 09:09:37 pm »

Can't I just wade out and change the wires over at the pump. {-)
Sorry I couldn't resist. I was hoping to save the cost of an esc. It's trying to get it out of the paypal account without her noticing.
Oh!   What's a micro-switch.
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Re: Bow Thrusters
« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2011, 09:34:44 pm »

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Re: Bow Thrusters
« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2011, 09:48:08 pm »

Wire the microswitches with the commons each to one terminal of the pump. Wire both the "Normally open" to one side of the battery and both the "Normally Closed" to the other. Set the microswitches up each side of a servo arm (cut to form an eccentric) so that operating the servo one way switches one microswitch, and the other way the other one. Thus at the centre position both pump terminals will get eg a negative feed so there is no potential between them and the pump will not run. As soon as you turn the servo either way one switch will go positive and the pump will run.
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Re: Bow Thrusters
« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2011, 09:51:41 pm »

Have a look here how to wire them up correctly..

http://website.lineone.net/~alanann/revswtch.htm

I've copied a few of the part of the site for a quick glance at what's required, the photo however is a bit more of an advanced setup, but its eactly the same as what you would need but using just 2 switches.



Hopefully this will point you in the right direction.
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Re: Bow Thrusters
« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2011, 10:11:41 pm »

By golly!. This really is a good place to ask questions.  Thank you everyone. O0
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Re: Bow Thrusters
« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2011, 12:52:31 am »

Road runner could you try and repost the pics they are not showing up.
Am also having trouble acessing the web link can't connect.
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Re: Bow Thrusters
« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2011, 01:35:13 am »

I built a Raboesch paddle-type BT into Loyal Volunteer.  Soon had the paddle slipping like several others on this thread.  My solution was to replace the P... poor plastic paddle with a soldered brass one.  And I did locate the BT where I can get it out.  End of problem.  See photos.
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Re: Bow Thrusters
« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2011, 01:37:37 am »

I hit "Post" too soon.  My BT spins this 40", 23 lb boat around 360 degrees in about 20 seconds.  It's controlled through a Proboat ESC, on 6 VDC.
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Re: Bow Thrusters
« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2011, 02:25:29 am »

Have a look here how to wire them up correctly..

http://website.lineone.net/~alanann/revswtch.htm

I've copied a few of the part of the site for a quick glance at what's required, the photo however is a bit more of an advanced setup, but its eactly the same as what you would need but using just 2 switches.



Hopefully this will point you in the right direction.


RR site now accesible thanks for the link  :-)) :-))

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Re: Bow Thrusters
« Reply #16 on: May 06, 2011, 06:54:15 am »



Hopefully this will point you in the right direction.
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RR was that intentional   :-)) :-)) :-))

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Re: Bow Thrusters
« Reply #17 on: May 06, 2011, 08:00:57 am »

Hi All,

Could anyone recommend a quality bow thruster make/supplier.  igts for a 1/144 Atlantic Conveyor.

cheers

thats the same ship and scale i'm doing.  quite good because N scale in model trains are close so figures and if money is no object even containers are almost to scale.
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Re: Bow Thrusters
« Reply #18 on: May 06, 2011, 08:40:54 am »

Road runner could you try and repost the pics they are not showing up.
Am also having trouble acessing the web link can't connect.

This seams to be a common problem with photo links recently, but yet normal photo's uploaded through photo bucket work fine, is it me or the site causing the issues, im unsure?

but here are the photo's as a permanent fixture to the forum.

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Re: Bow Thrusters
« Reply #19 on: May 06, 2011, 09:35:28 am »

 :-)) :-)) :-))
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Re: Bow Thrusters
« Reply #20 on: May 08, 2011, 07:56:50 am »

thank you for the all the info   :-)) :-))
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Re: Bow Thrusters
« Reply #21 on: May 08, 2011, 07:57:29 pm »

Sure, that is the wiring for motor reversing, but not for motor off when servo in mid position, then turning one way when servo turned one way, and t'other when t'other, as for a bow thruster.
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Re: Bow Thrusters
« Reply #22 on: May 08, 2011, 08:29:02 pm »

Sure, that is the wiring for motor reversing, but not for motor off when servo in mid position, then turning one way when servo turned one way, and t'other when t'other, as for a bow thruster.

Motor off occurs when the servo is in mid position and not in contact with either switch . Remember the micro switches required are basically 'Push To Make' switches which require the button to be pushed to make the circuit and when released (servo to neutral/central position) the circuit is broken meaning the motor is off.   :-X <*<

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Re: Bow Thrusters
« Reply #23 on: May 08, 2011, 09:53:42 pm »

Sorry to disagree, but the circuit wont work for centre off. Micro switch A needs to have n\o, n\c contacts the other way round I believe

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Re: Bow Thrusters
« Reply #24 on: May 08, 2011, 11:33:40 pm »

Dont forget IF you use a car screen washer pump, you have to use the "gear type", not the one with the small rubber vanes inside, as these are very directional and will not take excessive change of rotation, as the rubber vanes break off very quickly.
So make sure you get correct one!
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