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Re: speed controllers
« Reply #50 on: July 24, 2011, 12:58:32 pm »

Is the tubing for water cooling ?  {:-{
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Re: speed controllers
« Reply #51 on: July 24, 2011, 02:50:19 pm »

there seems to be no heat issues  now what so ever. the motor wires batteries everything is cold.

now first thing i tried was change the batteries. I replaced the pound shop specials with 2450mah Duracell rechargeables. i fully charged them and tested them in my house with my boat on its stand. i powered up and ran the boat then walked backwards. i got about 15 ft then it started spluttering and eventually after 20 ft stopped. The diagnostics alarm from the Turgingy esc was bleeping suggesting it had lost signal.  I got on order a 2.4ghz transmitter/receiver cos im so hacked off with this thing now. I originally bought everything for about 40 quid. And now its amounted to near 250 quid to amend all the issues of buying budget in the first place.
  I went to my local model shop to ask for suppression caps and i told him i was using a Graupner speed 600 8.4
After explaining to him what i meant (what else are they called) he told me it should have suppression caps already fitted inside it. so i took his word for it. And not bothered with them. i was quite glad to hear that because its going to be a right ball ache getting that motor out to fit them now.

in conjunction with 2.4ghz radio gear what rating/type of suppression caps do i need?

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Re: speed controllers
« Reply #52 on: July 24, 2011, 03:27:35 pm »

No capacitors needed for 2.4GHz Mike

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Re: speed controllers
« Reply #53 on: July 24, 2011, 03:54:50 pm »

No capacitors needed for 2.4GHz Mike

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Not using any suppressing capacitors on a motor may be okay - even on 2.4 - that looks after the interference on his own model - BUT - what about other people using the lake or the sailing waters next to him if they are on 40 mghz or 27 mghz - Sadly motor electrical interference isnt just confined to the one model.   It can affect other models in the vicinity.   If you wish to see proof of this, turn an unsuppressed motor on next to your television when it is turned on.

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Re: speed controllers
« Reply #54 on: July 24, 2011, 04:00:34 pm »

well on my lake im the ONLY model boater. i dont know anyone or heard of anyone in my area who sails lol. Now im gonna take your word for that Ned and i will hold you fully responsible  %%
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Re: speed controllers
« Reply #55 on: July 24, 2011, 04:15:52 pm »




here is a pic of my receiver. the wire antenna is coiled up and the end has been stripped and screwed onto the end of the bee sting style antenna. i was told to do this but ive read somewhere that the length of the aerial is crucial and a longer antenna picks up interference. Should i cut down the aerial wire and uncoil it? When i get the 2.4ghz radio gear i was going to do that anyway. I dont perticully want to remove the bee sting cos its fixed in with expoxy as it was a last minute decision and the nut would not fit on the end. 
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Re: speed controllers
« Reply #56 on: July 24, 2011, 04:31:58 pm »

You need to cut the length of your bee sting antenna off of your reciever antenna so that the whole thing connected up is the same length as the original reciever antenna.

You dont actually need the bee sting antenna and you wont be able to use it with your 2.4 antenna as the 2.4 antenna is a very short one.
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Re: speed controllers
« Reply #57 on: July 24, 2011, 04:42:19 pm »

when i get my 2.4. ill cut down the lenth of the wire antenna. then cut down the bee sting till i get the difference back again.
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Re: speed controllers
« Reply #58 on: July 24, 2011, 05:01:42 pm »

i run all my boats on 2.4ghz, even with others playing around on 27 and 40mhz i have never had any interference on the motor or anything, not all my brushed motors have suppresion caps on them

a word of warning (not that i've taken much notice of it) salt water (if thats what your running around in) tends to interfere with 2.4ghz by scattering the signals so have the receiver above the water line
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Re: speed controllers
« Reply #59 on: July 24, 2011, 05:16:34 pm »

fresh water lake. well fresh water filled in quarry actually :-)
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Re: speed controllers
« Reply #60 on: July 24, 2011, 05:21:49 pm »

DO NOT cut your 2.4GHz receiver aerial at all. It is only the last inch or so that is the actual aerial (the bit stripped back)
Dont connect it to anything and keep it as high as possible above the waterline for max range

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Re: speed controllers
« Reply #61 on: July 24, 2011, 05:27:41 pm »

glad you spoke up cos i was about to reach for me side snips.  :o



only kidding i not got it yet ok2
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Re: speed controllers
« Reply #62 on: July 24, 2011, 09:45:21 pm »

I wonder if he realises he is actually creating an electrical short.  ayejohn
Hi John,

This way of brushtabcooling has been practiced in fast electrics racing boats for decades, not a chance of a short when running in fresh water.
Even the guys who race in salt water use this method, with one adaptation; they run two lines to feed the motorcooling; one through the brushtab and the cooling jacket and the second one through the ESC and the second brushtab.

The longer tubing prevents a short.

I haven't ever heard anything about a shorter lifespan of the batteries; in racing, the wear of discharging 5000mAh in six minutes puts a lot more strain on the cells...

Regards, Jan.
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Re: speed controllers
« Reply #63 on: July 24, 2011, 10:15:54 pm »

Hi Jan just done an experiment to see how much voltage flows through fresh tap water  and as you can see from the pic there is a voltage flow but very little amperage flow
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Re: speed controllers
« Reply #64 on: July 24, 2011, 10:48:34 pm »

im gonna go belt and braces. can anyone tell me what type of suppression caps i need how many and how i should arange them?

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Re: speed controllers
« Reply #65 on: July 24, 2011, 10:50:37 pm »

do i need to do em like the one jan put up?
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Re: speed controllers
« Reply #66 on: July 24, 2011, 11:04:38 pm »

No capacitors needed for 2.4GHz Mike

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2.4GHz is brilliant at not picking up interference via the aerial.  
It does nothing whatever for the interference that gets in via the ESC output leads, power leads and servo leads.  It also does nothing for supply voltage fluctuations caused by heavy loads and weak wiring, in particular the mysterious happenings that come from dubious bits of negative wiring.  Been there, read the book, seen the film, got the pie, eaten the tee shirt.......
Semiconductor output stages do a cracking job of 1) acting like a crystal set and detecting interference picked up by the wire that they are supposed to be feeding as a signal 2) because they are, in part, amplifying devices, amplifying it to a useful (or, in our case, annoying) level, and creating their own signal.

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do i need to do em like the one jan put up?
Yes.  The motor may have them fitted, extra ones are at worst harmless, at best they stamp all over the problem.  Because they are curing a frequency, rather than purely power problem, the same values work for a wide range of powers.  The important thing is not so much the value as the construction which determines the RF performance, but the values shown are good.
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Re: speed controllers
« Reply #67 on: July 24, 2011, 11:51:43 pm »

i wont bother then save me some money :-))
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Re: speed controllers
« Reply #68 on: July 29, 2011, 01:25:53 pm »

got my new 2.4ghz fs gt2 works perfect  :}
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Re: speed controllers
« Reply #69 on: July 30, 2011, 10:53:30 pm »

Nice!

Happy boating.

Regards, Jan.
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Re: speed controllers
« Reply #70 on: July 30, 2011, 11:03:38 pm »

hey jan i borrowed one of your pictures to demonstrate surface drive propulsion maybe you could fill in the blanks

http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=31669.0
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Re: speed controllers
« Reply #71 on: August 06, 2011, 02:28:26 pm »

went for a second maiden run today. the steerign servo snapped off it mounting in the middle of the lake. has to go wading yet again >>:-(
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