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micknjen

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1/32 scale depth charges
« on: March 09, 2007, 06:11:40 pm »

hi can any one tell me what size 1/32 scale depth charges should be thanks
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Re: 1/32 scale depth charges
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2007, 07:29:02 pm »


Dear Mick,

A 1:96 scale depth-charge is 8mm long by 5mm diameter, so, if you are good at maths (which I am not!), it will be possible to work out the size for your 1:32 depth-charges.

I hope this might be of use to you.

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Re: 1/32 scale depth charges
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2007, 07:56:03 pm »

Hi there

Ive taken some information from John Lambert's book 'Allied Coastal forces'.  There are no actual sizes on the plans, but there is a scale bar.   So, these are the sizes from the scale bar of the drawing of the depth charges.:

There are several different types of depth charge drawn and I have taken the sizes from a Mark:VII depth charge

2 foot 4 inches long

18 inches diameter

so.... if you are working at 1/32 scale that is 3/8 inch to the foot.

if you want a scan of this, send me a pm and I will email it to you - I am sure John wouldnt mind  ;D

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Re: 1/32 scale depth charges
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2007, 08:57:44 pm »

Just a thought, were all depth charges the same size?

The dimensions given by Bluebird and Bernard2 don't tally when scaled. 1/96 dims have to be multiplied by 3 to get 1/32 hence 24mm long by 15mm dia.

2ft 4" is 7/8" and 18" is 0.56" at 1/32

24mm is .95" and 15mm is .59"

Pretty close but not the same.

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Re: 1/32 scale depth charges
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2007, 10:33:25 pm »

Thanks for all you help and advice.  We have already purchased 2 from ebay (as per link) but just looked a little small for size of boat. 

Thanks again
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Re: 1/32 scale depth charges
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2007, 01:00:06 pm »


Dear Mick,

Glad to be of help, and Doug (who is obviously excellent with figures!), has given you excellent fine tuning.

I can only add that the depth-charge I took the measurements was one from a 'batch' supplied by John Haynes for my Belfast Project and for adding to some destroyers (all 1:96). Doug could well be right re different sizes of depth-charges (smoke floats were larger in size), but for general navy issue I am certain you can rely on John Haynes' measurements. The person who might know about different sizes of charges would be Shipmate - there seems to be very little that he doesn't know about!!!

As a further guide to scale, whenever one sees these things on film they look aprx. the size of a 45 gallon drum.

Regards, Bernard2

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Re: 1/32 scale depth charges
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2007, 06:07:46 pm »

Whilst there appears to be quite a bit on Depth charges on the web a quick google didn't come up with many dimensions. Just this:

US Mk6 17.625 inches diameter and 27.625 inches long (.55 inch and .86 inch at 1/32)

French equivalent 19.7 inches diameter and 34.6 inches long (.61 inch and 1.08 at 1/32)

I'm afraid I have to disagree with Bernard2 about the 45 gallon drum. Based on these dimensions Depth Charges would be about half the size of a 45 gallon drum which are roughly 30 inches diameter and 3' 6" long. (And bl**dy heavy)

Were there bigger Depth Charges? or were the blokes in the films chosen for their small build (the Russians used exceptionally tall and short soldiers to place beside weapons in the May Day parades to b*gg*r the technical intelligence boys watching the films.)

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Re: 1/32 scale depth charges
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2007, 06:28:22 pm »

Hi there - where the link is between the depth charge and the 45 gallon drum - sometimes during hostilities - they used to fasten a 45 gallon drum to a depth charge and fill the 45 gallon drum half with water or sometimes oil - or sometimes with a heavier substance such as sand.  This would either increase the rate of descent of the depth charge or slow it down, depending on the substance in the 45 gallon drum.   This was to confuse the poor souls in the submarine.  What they would do - they would set off a pattern of normal depth charges and in amongst the pattern they would roll off the side of the vessel 2 or 3 of these modified depth charges - so, therefore confusing the submariner.   

It would sometimes fool the submariner.

Hope this gives some insight.

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Re: 1/32 scale depth charges
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2007, 07:13:33 pm »


Dear John,

Thanks for the info. & backup, I obviously managed to get my wires and recall all mixed up! ::)

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« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2007, 07:30:37 pm »

Hi all and Bernard2 - no problem my mate.   I dont think you had your wires crossed with this info.  because depth charges varied in shapes and sizes during hostilities first world war and 2nd world war - its a very interesting subject  for which I did a lot of research about the depth charge and firing mechanism for one of my models.   When you think about it, there is the Hedgehog depth charge of which there are 3 variations, then there is the barrel shaped depth charge which we normally think of and then there were a few experimental depth charges - and then also a depth charge thrower a Holman Projector which used to fire a grenade type depth charge but, I read a brilliant report on this weapon, which really summed it up - it was about as accurate as a blind man throwing a dart - the only real use it had was to fire empty beer bottles at passing craft  ;D

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Re: 1/32 scale depth charges
« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2007, 12:59:21 pm »


Dear John,

Thankyou for your Post... interesting. I don't know a great deal about the Hedgehog, but I think WWII K & Tribal Class destroyers carried them from time to time? The Holman co. I am very familiar with regarding compressed air eqpt., but I had forgotten they mfd. some war time eqpt.. As you probably know their factories and foundries were based in Camborne (Cornwall), and their greatest claim to fame is the huge amount of heavy mining eqpt. they produced for well over 100 yrs. (beam engines, pumps, compressed air plant, winding gear). Unfortunately the co. is only a shadow of it's former self these days: now known as Compair Holman they mainly produce portable air compressors, though times could be better for them I believe.

Thanks again for the info..

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Re: 1/32 scale depth charges
« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2007, 07:49:48 pm »

I'm open to correction but I think you will find that the Holman Projector was an anti-aircraft weapon intended to make up for the scarcity of Oerlikon cannon etc., in the earlier days of the war. Thus, unless the fiendishly cunning enemy was sneaking its submarines in at altitiude rather than depth....., I don't think it was an anti-sub weapon. Mind you it was reputed to be next to useless.   ;D
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« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2007, 08:23:58 pm »

Barry M  - I take my hat off to you  ;D - my miistake - your fault  ;D   I have read somewhere where they used a Holman Projector for anti-submarine work - I will have to dig that out.     You have me digging through old papers now.   Just proves that some of us Northerner's arent as perfect as we would wish  to think.

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Re: 1/32 scale depth charges
« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2007, 10:14:53 am »


Dear All,

Might I be right in thinking this was the piece of eqpt. that was fitted to merchant ships for a while - until they were fitted with proper AA guns. Their original concept was to throw/drag a wire line up about 200ft or so. I remember reading something about this in a book a few years ago. If I remember correctly, they were mounted as high as possible on the bridge superstructure, but, as prev. said, no-one liked them and they were considered unsafe.

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Re: 1/32 scale depth charges
« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2007, 10:19:41 am »

I did some googling on the subject of Holman Projectors and found this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holman_Projector. I did find a brief note about deterring smaller submarines but it doesn't say how or why. The projector was primarily a stop gap AA gun firing old mills bombs and I did find an eyewitness account of using them on merchant vessels. They used to remove the pin from the bomb then carefully place the bomb in an empty cocoa tin. As it was fired the force of air would remove the tin then the lever would open and arm the bomb.

They were also used to fire grappling irons up cliffs for the commandos.

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« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2007, 11:35:13 am »

Thanks for that link. Following it brings up a mine of information that has had me lost to the world for some time. Fascinating stuff!

BarryM

PS for John E - You Northerners are Southerners to us - mind you you're not Deep Southerners. I would worry then...  :P
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« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2007, 07:39:27 pm »


Dear All,

It sounds to me that while it wasn't a very highly thought of piece of eqpt., it did at least serve the purpose of throwing grappling irons around! - the top of a cliff is a barn door that simply can't be missed! However, the idea of placing Mills Bombs with pins out in tin cans while all hell is breaking loose around and about, does not appeal to me at all - nor probably to the poor devils that had to do it!!!

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« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2007, 08:59:17 pm »

hi all

Been going back through bits and pieces for when I did the model of the Fairmile B and if we can make it out, this is one of the drawings that I used to construct the Holman Project and if you note, on the right hand side, is a drawing (if we can make it out) of a 10 lb Underwater bomb Mk 1.  In the text from the book "Later in the war more sophisticated ammunition was developed for this weapon system.  A 10 lb anti-submarine bomb round was produced no never fully implemented in service".

On the left hand side of the drawing there is a parachute flare, which saw more general service.  But, further down and quote from the book again (for which I will get wrong) "On the other hand this was a superb weapon for firing cans, large potatoes & the like in the course of beere inter flotilla battles.  During a night bombing raid by German aircraft at Yarmouth, some Fairmile B's fired their Holmans in anger, only to succeed in bringing down the Norfolk Electricity Grid cables, which crossed the river Yare on the very high pylon plunging the area into darkness".

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« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2007, 09:06:45 pm »

Follow that link that kendalboatsman gave above and you'll see that the poor old Holman Projector did achieve some success in frightening off the Luftwaffe.
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« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2007, 08:24:43 am »

Here is the first memoir I found http://www.bbc.co.uk/ww2peopleswar/stories/38/a2143838.shtml

and here is an excerpt copyright of BBC -WW2 people's war.
"rejoined my ship early in October to find her tranmogrified. Painted completely in wartime grey with a necklace of degaussing cables round the hull, the Boffins very quick response to magnetic mines. Also she had been armed!
A 4” BL naval gun and a 12 pounder anti-aircraft gun had been fitted on the poop. On the bridge were two 1917 Lewis machine guns and on the foredeck, a weird contraption called a Holman Projector. This was designed to throw old-fashioned Mills bombs at attacking aircraft. I was a short tube attached to the ship’s steam line. With the bombs we had empty cocoa tins. The drill was to remove the pin from a bomb, carefully place it in a cocoa tin, drop it down the tube and open the steam cock. The idea was that this would shoot it up in the air, air pressure would remove the tin, the lever would fly open, explode the bomb and frighten the Luftwaffe. The only time we used it, the bomb came out of the tube with a spout of rusty water and fell on deck. A quick-thinking seaman threw it over the side before it went off. We all had an intensive course in the drill for these weapons at the local RNVR depot and when we sailed, included in the crew was a party of Naval ratings who formed the nucleus of the gun crews. Even though we were not a severe threat to the enemy, just having the whole crew going to action stations with heaps to do and being able to make a satisfactory noise had a good effect on the morale of the Merchant Navy crews of the time. Much better than just waiting to be shot at."

Here is the link to another memoir http://www.naval-history.net/WW2Memoir-RussianConvoyCoxswain03.htm

and here is an excerpt courtesy of naval-history.net

"We were to find out that this was all that it was fit for. Its crew was supposed to put down this pipe an ordinary hand grenade which nestled in a tin; the lever from the grenade came through a slot in the metal container and was held down by a pin in the safe position on the outside of the container. The drill was that when the crew were going to fire this 'thing', first they had to make quite certain that there was enough steam pressure on the gauge to project the grenade out of the pipe. They then took the pin out of the grenade, dropped the grenade still in its container down the spout of the pipe, banging their foot down on a pedal at the base of the pipe, and at the same time aiming the 'gun' at the target. If the target was a plane, the grenade was supposed to go off in the vicinity of the plane after parting company with the container as it left the mouth of the pipe. In theory I suppose that this was quite a legitimate description of its action if the steam pressure applied to the projector was correct; if it wasn't, the grenade and its container had a nasty habit of just managing to climb out of the end of the pipe, and dropping onto the deck where they separated, rolling about until they either exploded where they were, and fragmented amongst those of the crew who were panicking to throw them over the side, or in the sea out of harm's way if the crew had been successful in doing what they had set out to do.

Most ships' crews found as time passed by that the best use for the Holman Projector was for throwing potatoes or empty cans at their 'chummy ships' as they passed by them in a channel. To be used for the job for which it was really intended was thought to be more dangerous to those actually firing it than to the aircraft supposed to be at the receiving end. Eventually, I believe, these Holmans were taken off most if not all ships."

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« Reply #21 on: March 13, 2007, 06:58:44 pm »


Dear All,

It seems, after all is considered, that this piece of eqpt. was about 90% unsuccessful! :)

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