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bbdave

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Where to get some fg supplies and a little advice
« on: October 23, 2011, 08:55:47 pm »

I am thinking of making some mouldings and just wandered where there are some good suppliers?

The mould itself isn't a problem i will just lay cloth and resin (or just pva and newspaper) over my wood plug then after preparing the mould i'll lay cloth and resin inside which when removed i can smooth off with filler. Hope this will work.

Dave
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john s 2

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Re: Where to get some fg supplies and a little advice
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2011, 09:32:50 pm »

Dave.Can you alter your details to show where you are? This will help the lads to recommend suppliers near to you.Whats in your Yellow Pages? Halfords to stock some.Boat shops are better if near.John.
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Re: Where to get some fg supplies and a little advice
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2011, 10:20:35 pm »

I would recommend   http://www.cfsnet.co.uk/

Good clear site and plenty of information
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andyn

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Re: Where to get some fg supplies and a little advice
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2011, 11:10:49 pm »

You basically need 5 things:

Good wax, polish the master up with wax, rubbing off with a cloth each time. Apply anywhere between 5-20 coats, thinly.

Gel-coat, paint onto the waxed master.

Resin and mat,  when the gel coat is dry,  put the matting in place a layer at a time, then resin

Resin safe paintbrushes... Normal ones fall apart pretty fast (as in instantly), the styrene eats the glue. Work the resin into the mat by stippling and painting.

A great place to try is East Coast Fibreglass Supplies, top service and often cheaper.

Andy :-)
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nhp651

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Re: Where to get some fg supplies and a little advice
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2011, 11:31:05 pm »

Don't forget the PVA release agent as well andy.

BBdave....I have just posted a step by step log of making a grp mould for my ambulance launch here..if you are interested.

neil.

 http://rcmb.forumotion.com/t133-ambulance-launch-flying-christine
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bbdave

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Re: Where to get some fg supplies and a little advice
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2011, 05:07:46 pm »

Thanks for that i found an online place and will probably use polyester resin it's lots cheaper the mould will be sacraficial anyway but i'll put something in it to help release.


Dave
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andyn

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Re: Where to get some fg supplies and a little advice
« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2011, 06:11:24 pm »

the mould will be sacraficial anyway but i'll put something in it to help release.

Would be advisable, otherwise you'll end up with a rather manky looking boat permanently stuck together.... Usa PVA release agent (not glue)

Polyester's better, way cheaper.

Andy :-)
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Re: Where to get some fg supplies and a little advice
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2011, 10:52:03 am »

Is this for the Welman? I recommend the following-

Wax your masters well, I find half a dozen coats is usually enough, but not less than that.. Do not be tempted to use silicone wax, it will ruin your mouldings.

Get a cheap can of hairspray from Poundland. Spray the masters with this and let dry, apply a second coat. I find this works more consistently than PVA, which has a tendency to separate unless you apply very thin coats. Hairspray doesn't so this, but like PVA it is water soluble.

Apply two to three coats of gelcoat, when dry, but still tacky apply a layer of glass tissue, and chopped strand matt (CSM). I stick with 300 gram CSM, which is pliable, and just add more layers to get the required laminate thickness. A layer of tissue will help to smooth off the roughness of the CSM before filling with polyester putty.

Make sure you get you catalyst quantity right- I use a plastic pipette, and work in a well ventilated space- polyester resin don't half pong. I prefer to laminate in spring or summer, as the warmer weather helps the resin kick nicely.

Don't rule out epoxy resin. Although more expensive, it keeps longer on the shelf, is very low in odour, and gives you a much longer working time. Only use glass fabrics with epoxy or powder bound CSM. Styrene bound CSM is only for polyester.

Another, even simpler solution, is to use polyurethane resin. A company called Smooth-on produce a product called 'Shellshock'. This is a polyurethane resin thick enough to brush on, like gelcoat. This resin is tough enough to not require reinforcement providing you make it about 2-3mm thick (e.g. Engel's new 212 kit is cast from PU resin). You apply two or three coats over your waxed and hairsprayed masters. Sand smooth, and pop off. Simples, and you can demould within an hour or two.

http://www.smooth-on.com/a30/Shell-Shock%3D-Self-Thickening-Brushable-Plastic/article_info.html
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Re: Where to get some fg supplies and a little advice
« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2011, 01:48:28 pm »

Get hold of a copy of 'The Glassfibre Handbook' by R H Waring published by 'Special Interest Model Books'. Everything you need to know about GRP for models and a lot more; types, quantities, pluigs, moulds, techmiques etc.

Barry M 
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bbdave

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Re: Where to get some fg supplies and a little advice
« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2011, 05:50:07 pm »

I have epoxy but i'm not using west systems for this it's way to expensive i may pop round to the chap in the village who built my boat to ask if i can use a corner of his workshop he owes me a boat anyway.

It's not for a complete hull just the ends so not huge mouldings i'm going to make paper moulds over plugs rather than anything permanent as i only want to make one cast.

I do use fibre glass a fair bit so not unused to it i've just never cast anything yet.

Dave
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