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hedgerowwpete

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Re: slow running petrol engines
« Reply #25 on: November 24, 2011, 09:42:04 pm »

Strangely enough its for those exact very reasons why I am dealing with Dave on the car forum because he is old enough to have been there and done it way before I was crawling. The main thing is that over the course of this one single thread and the searching I have done, I have not got any where trying to find answers and a mentor which is what I really need. Someone local and willing to help, where as on the car forum they ask the more experienced people to offer mentorship, either on line or in person so newbees like me can work though our ideas.

the main reason I would like to use petrol is the simple fact of cost, over the charging of batteries on the sea shore. but in the forum there is no ic section, sections for every thing else but not ic, so i feel its ic unfriendly the same is caused by the simple point that every single reply to this thread is pro electric and no one has offered to give advice or help with the idea of ic, so like i said i will stay on the mayhem with the balsa wood kit we have brought because its battery powered and the mentor Dave will help me with the bigger boat for the sea fishing idea
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treeboa

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Re: slow running petrol engines
« Reply #26 on: November 25, 2011, 02:57:12 am »

half the problem is most of the waters that allow boats are totally ic unfriendly, so guys have been dragged kicking and screaming to fast electrics, they have forgotten the art

one thing i would look into, electric starting, worst case scenario she cuts out on you at distance, at least you will have a chance of cracking the motor into life again

whats behind the idea ?? long range with big soft baits for cod  :-))

keep posting on here if you will, i for one being a sea angler find the idea interesting, may be better radio wise working with 27 or 40 mhz, 2.4 is magic untill you get water in the way and if your fishing in waves you will lose sight of it behind waves
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hedgerowwpete

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Re: slow running petrol engines
« Reply #27 on: November 25, 2011, 06:56:28 am »

Could you explain why the lower freq suggestions, after reading the forum posts i was under the impression that everyone was moving to 2.4G . i think its because the other freq have small pox sent via them. lol

Its is only the submarine lads that wanted the lower frqs to go throught the water. I like the idea of using the lower older freqs because i can buy a top quality second hand set off flea bay for the same amount of money as a cheap new set or i just buy a new set at lower costs,

I was under the impression that lower quality sets have lower signal strength???? and its the distance i could do with i was also going to install a longer aireal on the boat.

The big thing realy is the size and weight of the boat, i can see it at the moment getting so well equiped that it starts to look like that beautifull 12 foot submarine on the other threads, to keep it practical i would like it to stay under three foot by one foot square and preffer less than 20 kilos maxed out, someone did suggest 2 car batteries as a power supply which ment the boat going to five foot long!

As for the reason why, you hit it straight on the head, big soft baits dont cast well, especial when you want to get them pasted the power casters how do the 150 to 200m marks
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Re: slow running petrol engines
« Reply #28 on: November 25, 2011, 10:50:16 am »

As regards transmitter power - there is a legal limit on power for model use - I dont know of any hobby grade TX that transmits noticeably below this.  Obviously, none transmit above that power.  The toy grade ones (the ones that come in set that costs less than a decent set of batteries) usually run off a PP3 and have a bit of bent wire for an aerial, and have a range beyond arms reach, but not much.  Range, for hobby grade, is more a question of line of sight, the quality of the receiver and siting of the aerial, as a rule of thumb, the higher the better.
2.4GHz signals tend to bounce off water much more readily than lower frequencies, and are very line of sight.  Salt water tends to absorb any signals very readily, thats why transmissions to real submarines happen on very low frequencies, and to receive them the sub has to trail about a mile of wire and be very near the surface.  Model ones work great in fresh water, but lose signal very close to the surface.  At least, the ones that I have seen do.
In most boats running on calm water signal pick up is no problem, the small aerials are easy to hide and still work fully effectively.  On 27 I have "controlled" at yacht at 400 yards.  On 2.4 the furthest I have done is about 200 yards, but that was a 3 foot long warship painted in camo, so any further and just seeing which way it was pointing would have been a problem.
When the aerial vanishes down a trough between waves, signal will be lost.  Just how long it takes for the signal to be re-established and what the controls do in the meantime is a matter of guesswork.  In the linked vid, there appeared to be a long whip aerial, indicating a lower frequency setup.  This is much more likely, in the conditions shown, to get a usable signal for more of the time.
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MikeA

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Re: slow running petrol engines
« Reply #29 on: November 25, 2011, 11:06:41 am »

This rc trent lifeboat is about 3ft long and demostrates the affect of the sea on it and the obsticles you will need to overcome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrVnbCO48Qg

at 4:50 going through the break water the waves are going over the top.

if you use a nitro ic engine, its necessary after every outing to dismantle clean and reassemble the engine, and they dont run on petrol but nitromethane.

if you use a petrol zenoah. you will need the top open to stop overheating:



as you can see if the water is crashing over the top on that lifeboat then its going to fill the hull with an open top is seconds. To counter this you can either build a bigger boat over 4ft  to handle the waves or build an air tight one so the waves going over the top wont sink the boat.

Sub johns 12 foot gato is a sea going submarine and built to that scale to handle sea conditions.
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Patrick Henry

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Re: slow running petrol engines
« Reply #30 on: November 25, 2011, 11:47:56 am »

With regards to casting big soft baits over long distances, have you thought of wrapping the bait in a PVA bag? That way you get your bait out in one piece, the PVA dissolves in seconds and you're ready to go.

You can wrap the bait into a nice torpedo shape, and tie it off with PVA string, or wrap the whole lot around the lead weight.


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Re: slow running petrol engines
« Reply #31 on: November 26, 2011, 01:08:35 pm »

Possibly the last post on this subject. Have you thought about petrol electric? Using a petrol engine to drive a genney along with a battery feeding a electric motor.Should the petrol lump fail youve still got power to recover the boat.Yes its more complication but ive seen it done in a model tug.Some 50cc motorcycle engines are water cooled and four stroke,also with electric start. Why not ask the big tank boys again i belive a few are pet/elec.Good luck. John.
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hedgerowwpete

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Re: slow running petrol engines
« Reply #32 on: November 27, 2011, 03:22:33 pm »

I think i will stick with the IC motor idea as the other forum guy dave has sorted out alot of these problems already, about 40 years ago.

I think i will just stick to the elctric versions on the mayhem thanks,

the other things i have been speaking about to dave is the ideas of using items i already have rather than buying new. again thats a no no on the mayhem forum
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« Reply #33 on: November 27, 2011, 04:01:50 pm »

  the other things i have been speaking about to dave is the ideas of using items i already have rather than buying new. again thats a no no on the mayhem forum

Now I know you're just trolling... %)
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hedgerowwpete

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Re: slow running petrol engines
« Reply #34 on: November 27, 2011, 07:07:38 pm »

I think for me this thread is finished, I have more questions to ask but i will do it in the other parts of the forum more suited to there requirements.
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