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davidsg1a

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Re: Filler as a surface for a plug.....
« Reply #25 on: December 02, 2011, 09:31:38 am »

That looks great Kim  :-)) A couple of those would like great with our oil rig at GRMBC, if you make a couple let me know or get me through Big Colin (gyinger).

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« Reply #26 on: December 02, 2011, 12:17:19 pm »

Hey David...get in da Q, i was here first  >>:-( {-)
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Re: Filler as a surface for a plug.....
« Reply #27 on: December 02, 2011, 12:37:04 pm »

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How is this cut so smoothly ? 

  He's using finer finishing paper than you Arrow5. An "As cut" Hot wire surface usually has a polished finish.

  Regards Ian.
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davidsg1a

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« Reply #28 on: December 02, 2011, 12:44:38 pm »

Of course Arrow your first, cant get in the way of a fellow Highlander.  :-))

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« Reply #29 on: December 02, 2011, 12:54:24 pm »

Methinks this isnt a 'hot wire' cut plug at all..........................

This appears to be cut / lasered / blasted / (insert your own terminology here) by a machine driven by computer.......

All clever stuff - and something I will be looking into VERY closely!!!!!!!!

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« Reply #30 on: December 02, 2011, 03:49:55 pm »

Yep, reckon it is the Devils work, hot wire cutting gives straight(ish) cuts and no compound curves.
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« Reply #31 on: December 02, 2011, 07:52:20 pm »

While you are looking into it Carl remember to tell your friends too  O0
I wouldn't mind one of those big Orca type hulls £?, but the site isn't open till 15th Dec the web says.  :((

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« Reply #32 on: December 02, 2011, 11:02:03 pm »

While you are looking into it Carl remember to tell your friends too  O0
I wouldn't mind one of those big Orca type hulls £?, but the site isn't open till 15th Dec the web says.  :((

Dave

Of course Dave  :-)). The thought had crossed my mind about a mould for the superstructure of 'K' - but I think I would have to learn Delftship first!!!

And what site isnt open until the 15th???? {:-{ {:-{
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« Reply #33 on: December 03, 2011, 12:51:13 am »

Clyde Models

or have I got it wrong again?

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Re: Filler as a surface for a plug.....
« Reply #34 on: December 03, 2011, 01:01:39 am »

Nope - them's the fellas.... Will take a gander in the morning - zzzzzzz

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« Reply #35 on: December 03, 2011, 09:20:46 pm »


Hi All,
I really do appreciate the interest in Orca and details will come out shortly on my website but this is Carl's post & question.

To clarify, the test / proving plugs I cut are cnc cut and not hotwire cut... the surface you see is the surface you get (smother in composite)... which if cut in composite is good enough (+wax) to lift directly from!   

Hopefully you have found the answers your looking for Carl and if i can help anymore don't hesitate to call.
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Kim

P.s. sorry Carl .. Last plug  ' bad pun I know' before I go ... here is a plug cut for Blackpool show and the resulting hull. -
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Re: Filler as a surface for a plug.....
« Reply #36 on: December 03, 2011, 09:32:24 pm »

Thank you ALL for your replies / insights / suggestions/ encouragement etc etc etc............I really DO appreciate it  :-)) :-)) :-))

For the FEV, I have gone with a suggestion by Andy of MMB of some easy-sand filler as supplied by a firbe-glass moulding specialist.  Will post pictures of the progress and outcome on the relevant topic thread as it happens.

Kim - no worries about 'plugging' your plug mate - you go for it  :-)) :-)) It all helps us all in the long run...........
I am very tempted by this idea for the hull of the Norland - I can spend months drawing the thing..............and then it takes double the months to produce a satisfactory plug!! :embarrassed:
Once the FEV mould is done and the first hull produced, I will contact you to discuss in more detail the Norland project if thats ok.
Looking forward to more details on this method when you write them..............
Cheers
Carl

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« Reply #37 on: December 03, 2011, 09:48:18 pm »


Kim - no worries about 'plugging' your plug mate - you go for it  :-)) :-)) It all helps us all in the long run...........
I am very tempted by this idea for the hull of the Norland - I can spend months drawing the thing..............and then it takes double the months to produce a satisfactory plug!! :embarrassed:
Carl

Carl, now i know this isn't going to please you ... but ..... I reckon if its about the same size as your other plugs i could have it ready in about 2 hours ... not sick yet ... i will try harderd ... to a precision of +/- 0.01mm

Now weigh that up against your time & materials ..... you know it makes sense!

I do a great B&B for your visit next spring lol ,
Speak soon
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« Reply #38 on: December 03, 2011, 10:09:13 pm »

Oh that  hull would make a nice little coastal container ship :o
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Talisman

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« Reply #39 on: December 03, 2011, 11:08:28 pm »

Oh that  hull would make a nice little coastal container ship :o

Duncan? / Arrow5

I will let you into a little secret here .. but don't go telling everybody....

She will be part of a range of pond sailors ... no point in letting test plugs go to waste if the owner permits :)

Regards,
Kim
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Talisman

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« Reply #40 on: December 09, 2011, 09:19:40 pm »

Thank you ALL for your replies / insights / suggestions/ encouragement etc etc etc............I really DO appreciate it  :-)) :-)) :-))

For the FEV, I have gone with a suggestion by Andy of MMB of some easy-sand filler as supplied by a firbe-glass moulding specialist.  Will post pictures of the progress and outcome on the relevant topic thread as it happens.

Cheers
Carl

Hi Carl, now unless you have a any easy apply easy sand filler , here are my thoughts ...

Sanding filler will require mixing and applying, which in turn no doubt introduces air bubles... which in turn introduces more sanding and filling of the bubble holes.
Pouring an epoxy over an epoxy layer will almost eradicate the bubble introduction and in turn need less finishing work...
But it's your call Carl and i know you have been around the houses looking for soloution to this issue and the Laser cutting issues.
Speak soon,
Kim
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andyn

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« Reply #41 on: December 09, 2011, 09:24:59 pm »

I use the easy sand stuff, followed by Squadron putty in any pinholes, flat back then guide coat with black aerosol.

Andy :-)
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Talisman

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« Reply #42 on: December 09, 2011, 09:29:09 pm »

My point exactly Andy, Pin holes the bug of you and my lifes if you pour epoxy you don't introduce bubles (if done right!)

Having said that, i have thought of investing in Sandpaper manufacturers shares until everyone learns lol

Regards
Kim
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Welsh Wizard

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« Reply #43 on: December 09, 2011, 10:48:02 pm »

EASY LIGHT filler from Halfords cheap as chips easy to sand no pinholes I use it all the time for carbody repairs :-))

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Talisman

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« Reply #44 on: December 09, 2011, 11:04:12 pm »

EASY LIGHT filler from Halfords cheap as chips easy to sand no pinholes I use it all the time for carbody repairs :-))

Dave

And there we go ... my reason for my sandpaper investment...

I know what your saying Dave, but if producing a plug / a big surface try pouring resin / epoxy then tell me it isn't easier & cheaper in the long run.
Don't get me wrong, knifing putty etc does have it's place!
Regards
Kim
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Welsh Wizard

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« Reply #45 on: December 09, 2011, 11:26:49 pm »

Hang on I didnt mention knifing putty Which it certainly is NOT,There are pro's and cons of using either resin or filler,One definite pro of what I have reccomended is it is FAR easier to sand than resin or epoxy.
And you defo will use less rubbing down paper with Easylight than when sanding down resin.
I used to and still do plugs for rally parts and when time is money then I know what will win hands down with me.

Dave
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« Reply #46 on: December 09, 2011, 11:38:50 pm »

Dave,
 I'm sure you are happy & knowledgeable in what you do, make no mistake, any of the fillers will require mixing and therefor may  introduce air / pinholes.
Sure even 'easy sand is ... well ... easy to sand but in the use of production of a blemish free plug for a hull ......well i stick by my guns.... pouring resin / epoxy (regardless of how hard to sand) does make for a better surface to cast from ... quicker and easier...

What I'm referring to is the production of a plug not a repair.
Now i'm going to take the '5th' from now as i really have said more than i meant to ... don't want to give the game away ....lol

Regards,
Kim
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