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Re: Compressed air powered boat?
« Reply #25 on: May 15, 2012, 04:17:53 pm »

The physics? This page on propulsive efficiency is worth reading. It contains the line:

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...matching the exhaust speed and the vehicle speed gives optimum efficiency...

With regards to boats, it is something we tend to (almost) achieve for propellor/paddle craft, and something that is (highly) unlikely to occur for jet/rocket craft.

That is, if you have a high speed exhaust, then it will always be best used via some form of turbine/propellor at non-planing speeds.

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Re: Compressed air powered boat?
« Reply #26 on: May 15, 2012, 06:12:03 pm »

Hi Nick,

I've just remembered that the Victorian Whitehead torpedo used compressed air driving a reciprocating engine; see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torpedo#Compressed_air.

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Re: Compressed air powered boat?
« Reply #27 on: May 18, 2012, 04:00:46 pm »

Hi there, Has anyone built a compressed air powered boat, and if not, why not? Reason for asking is that a mate of mine has suggested it but I do not think it a viable proposition. Any one got any thoughts on the subject?
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I know nothing of compressed air power boats except that it's possible since this guy: Compressed air powered boat has done it. He uses very high presseure (230 bar) with a detending system and gets a 15 min run. Getting the air seems complicated as he has to store it in a diving bottle that has to be refilled with a very high pressure compressor.
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Re: Compressed air powered boat?
« Reply #28 on: May 18, 2012, 04:17:12 pm »

this thread has got me inspired again so i went to town to buy all the stuff i think will do the job if anyone is interested then ill post what im doing.
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Re: Compressed air powered boat?
« Reply #29 on: May 18, 2012, 04:21:01 pm »

No wonder you call yourself MAD Mike  %% %%
Where is the compressed air shop in Scunny?
How much a pound is it?  {-) {-) {-)
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Re: Compressed air powered boat?
« Reply #30 on: May 18, 2012, 04:40:07 pm »

theres a stall on the market that sells bags of compressed air. £7 per bar so i bought 3 bags for 21 quid not bad deal 
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Re: Compressed air powered boat?
« Reply #31 on: May 18, 2012, 04:42:36 pm »

Ashby Market was it ?
They always have the best prices  :-)) :-))

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Re: Compressed air powered boat?
« Reply #32 on: May 18, 2012, 04:48:45 pm »

nope scunthorpe market. Wouldve been cheaper at ashby, and they would have put it in a box. shame they only sell air at one bar though, it doesnt feel any different to normal air  %%
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Re: Compressed air powered boat?
« Reply #33 on: May 18, 2012, 04:55:36 pm »

Which bar is that?
Is it opposite the market?

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Re: Compressed air powered boat?
« Reply #34 on: May 18, 2012, 05:04:14 pm »

anyway heres what i bought:



you have to excuse the photography my digital camera currently has no screen so im kind of guessing where stuff is to take pics of.
1 pump car 4.99 for BnM
1 ben 10 water pistol £1.60 reduced from poundstretcher
air horn from poundland
vinegar from BnM 90p i think
bicarbonate of soda 78P

Ive tried the car and it goes pretty well. The water pistol has a pressurised chamber in it which you pre pump with air, you then press the trigger and the air forces the water out. I plan to break it all open use the trigger valve on the water pistol so i can regulate the flow of air to the engine. Im gonna try using the airhorn gas first see how long it runs but my main intention is to use baking powder and vinegar  %%
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Re: Compressed air powered boat?
« Reply #35 on: May 18, 2012, 05:05:17 pm »

Which bar is that?
Is it opposite the market?

Ned

yeah the one i went to before i decided to spend 21 quid on 3 bags of air.
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Re: Compressed air powered boat?
« Reply #36 on: May 18, 2012, 06:16:17 pm »

Have you thought about using the innards from a soda stream?
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Re: Compressed air powered boat?
« Reply #37 on: May 18, 2012, 06:41:44 pm »

 i distantled the engine to see how it works, curiosity an all that ;)



the piston is absolutely minuscule in fact its more of a plunger than a piston. Anyway a reassembled the engine and hooked up the can from the air horn. It was hard trying to control the air with the button from the can and most of the air was wasted by either blowing the pipes off or leaking out from under the button. I got a couple of turns out of it but it hadn't occurred to me that the can would get cold and i just about freeze burned my fingers. Even if i had fixed the pipes better costant running would have formed ice in the engine anyway. I then opened up the water pistol only to be disappointed that the valve for trigger turned out to be a pinch pipe, not much throttle control there. I used the pressure chamber from the water pistol and filled it with baking powder and vinegar. Eventually i managed to get the two parts mixed and the cap on but the pressure build up was pitiful and just made a mess of the workspace.

So far from my discovery that the best way to run this engine was by the compressed air chamber and hand pump the car came with (fancy that %%). Before i hacked the car up the downside was that the wheels span fast for about 3 and half seconds and the engine barely produced enough torque to turn the hands on a wrist watch, albeit for the small car it was more than sufficient and went like **** off a rug!

It may be possible with a soda stream and a larger engine like the one in this:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/160642183859?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2648

one of the downsides the car i bought compared to the one in the link was there no plumbing. The compressed air chamber motor and gear box was one combined unit so would not have been a simple installation in a boat anyway. But 25 quid seems a lot to me especially if it doesnt work. 

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Re: Compressed air powered boat?
« Reply #38 on: May 18, 2012, 07:06:11 pm »


It may be possible with a soda stream and a larger engine like the one in this:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/160642183859?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2648

I just looked up how a soda stream works and its basically a gas cylinder of co2 with nozzle to throth your drinks (i didnt know) and the high pressure cylinder method is allready done.

cola bottle and mentos might work
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Re: Compressed air powered boat?
« Reply #39 on: May 18, 2012, 07:49:40 pm »

Hi,

I notice from the White's torpedo website that the Victorians had trouble with the throttled compressed air causing freezing; they pass the cold air through a sea water heat exchanger.

You might consider using compressed CO2 cartridges as a power source, might not last very long though!

See: http://www.tyreinflators.co.uk/index.php?act=viewCat&catId=14

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Re: Compressed air powered boat?
« Reply #40 on: June 02, 2012, 10:52:12 am »

  Found this whilst, as usual, hunting for something else:

  http://modelenginenews.org/pachasa/index.html
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Re: Compressed air powered boat?
« Reply #41 on: June 02, 2012, 06:11:38 pm »

Thanks guys, a most interesting discourse. I have shown this thread to my mate, who is now completely baffled, and has not mentioned the subject since. :-)) :-)) :-))
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« Reply #42 on: June 02, 2012, 08:36:01 pm »

If TATA can do it why not us for models.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode.cfm?id=compressed-air-car-winds-way-to-mar-12-03-29

Had compressed air motors in my model aircraft way back in the '70's. Didn't run for long, but worked in my converted rubber flight Sopwith triplane by Veron.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztFDqcu8oJ4

Just go do it, we know it works, you just need to work out the duration problem, until your happy.
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Re: Compressed air powered boat?
« Reply #43 on: June 03, 2012, 06:14:37 pm »

Back in the 70s we took a pneumatic motor and installed it on a go kart, we used two scuba dive tanks to drive it.
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