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Re: Hobby king uk?
« Reply #25 on: July 11, 2013, 06:46:15 am »

What a palaver, why not just go into your nearest model shop or ring them and see if they have your item in stock?.....oh no, they've all closed down -  because you can buy it all cheaper, quicker and more conveniently on the web ...internet shopping, it's the future!


And of course, they'll gladly discuss your faulty / missing order, sort out any warranty issues immediately and make you a cup of tea if you pop in, once you've done the 6000 miles and coughed up £700 for the return flight to Hong Kong....or you can send it back in the post and then pay customs again for the replacement.


It's all so easy...just click that button.


My nearest model shop is 2 hours drive away and it sells rc cars and static kits
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Re: Hobby king uk?
« Reply #26 on: July 11, 2013, 07:53:15 am »

I raised the issue many moons ago right here on this forum about the so called cheap shipping from Hobbyking & was shot down , Now I can say I told you so. I ship nearly every day both in & out & across Canada & have found the U/K mail order people very fair. Hobbyking puts a false low value on the item shipped for customs reasons & makes the difference in price up on the shipping charges. That's O/K by me but one of these days they are going to get caught with that scam & then look out. I had a large shipment coming from U/K & thought I would check a couple of other shippers besides the regular one, the lowest bid next to my normal shipper was $5'000.00 more for the same load(auto parts) go figure.Mick B.
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« Reply #27 on: July 11, 2013, 08:18:08 am »

Spot on, Grasshopper. Maybe the message will begin to get through one day.
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That's what will happen everywhere else, but there's no reason to be conned into buying "cheap" from the other side of the world when you're likely to end up paying as much or more as you would from a more local supplier.
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« Reply #28 on: July 11, 2013, 08:36:58 am »

Spot on, Grasshopper. Maybe the message will begin to get through one day.
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That's what will happen everywhere else, but there's no reason to be conned into buying "cheap" from the other side of the world when you're likely to end up paying as much or more as you would from a more local supplier.
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I believe the old saying "Champagne tastes but beer money" fits me well, I guess buying from Hong Kong and china you get Lambrini :D


One of my major gripes tho is well respected European companies who no longer make their own stuff but instead rebadge Chinese made stuff... It's getting more and more common
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« Reply #29 on: July 11, 2013, 09:01:48 am »

WELL i thought i would try something cheap to start with too from the HK shop
i ordered a 4x AA battery pack (holder no AA ) for powering up the RX cost $1.80  with postage came to $3.20
arrived in 4 weeks and i had 4 emails from them confirming  order ,sale , packing , shipping date
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« Reply #30 on: July 11, 2013, 09:45:35 am »

Please can I clarify a pretty major point?
There's not much point in my hammering on about using local (or at least national) suppliers where there aren't any e.g. Finland, Australia, Canada. My objection is to UK modellers going immediately to HK or E-Bay for all their purchases in order to obtain a price advantage which in many cases is illusory.
HK will despatch the items you order from wherever they happen to hold stock. If that's in your own country then fine but if it happens to be halfway around the world then I do think you should be given the choice of whether or not you want to purchase the item before the local tax authorities have their pound of flesh too. Not to mention on their website the possibility of having to pay extra, hidden import taxes is bordering on criminal (or it would be if they were really a UK-based company).
As for European companies indulging in badge-engineering well  (do you mean Graupner?), hardly a surprise when Graupner is now owned by a South Korean radio manufacturer. Just don't buy the stuff if you have an objection to it; go elsewhere.
Many of our former customers in parts foreign often remarked how fortunate we are in the UK to have such a wide choice of boat modelling goods available. If the few remaining UK manufacturers are put out of business by customers in a Gadarene rush to save pennies by buying from Hong Kong then no-one will win except the little yellow chaps in Shenzhen - and they don't give a monkey's for the scale model lifeboat fittings or bespoke shafts and tubes etc which we so take for granted here in UK.
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« Reply #31 on: July 11, 2013, 09:55:48 am »

Well said Dave  :-))
 
Difficult to ask questions or get advice from remote locations, usually take ages to arrive plus cost more in postage etc, and vitually impossible to send back if there are problems.
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« Reply #32 on: July 11, 2013, 10:21:33 am »

however some uk retailers need to see boat modellers as customers rather than a nuisance...


i choose to buy my stuff face to face at shows.... i have lost count the number of times i have phoned uk based model shops  to be told the stuff they advertise in mags or on websites is not in stock, and they dont know when it will be in stock....


not a good way to do business.....i am off up the m40 in a minute to a good well stocked modelshop.... O0
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« Reply #33 on: July 11, 2013, 11:10:06 am »

And yer 8 quid "Administration" charge will probably double when they go private. O0    >>:-(
 
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Re: Hobby king uk?
« Reply #34 on: July 11, 2013, 11:55:39 am »

Hobby King U.K. address is   Lucky Stuff Ltd, 18 Elmsett Airfield, Elmsett, Ipswich, Suffolk. IP7 6LN.

You can collect if you want to.

Have used them many times without any problems and the last items delivery costs £3.70 ParcelForce 48hr.

Being U.K. registered and shipping from within the U.K. there are no import charges.

I think too many people invent or forsee problems without any knowledge of the company.

BTW I have absolutely no affiliation with Hobby King.

Use Google maps and enter the post code, it's the large building with the white roof.
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« Reply #35 on: July 11, 2013, 12:32:04 pm »

 
I would also like to add, I was led to believe I was buying from the UK Warehouse AND no UK suppliers had what I wanted even listed!

Only when the order was completed did it say,'BTW, this order being fulfilled from way back of beyond.... we have your money now so don't try cancelling the order. So there!' 


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« Reply #36 on: July 11, 2013, 12:41:49 pm »


I would also like to add, I was led to believe I was buying from the UK Warehouse AND no UK suppliers had what I wanted even listed!



Are you still talking about RC modelling supplies Martin? :-))
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« Reply #37 on: July 11, 2013, 01:02:19 pm »

 
.... may be! :P
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Re: Hobby king uk?
« Reply #38 on: July 11, 2013, 01:59:48 pm »

I think too many people invent or forsee problems without any knowledge of the company.

Not I, m'duck.

We are looking at maybe designing a brushless ESC and so purchased two popular types of motors from HK. I have also purchased a couple of cheap ESCs from them to test the ACTion P105 controllers with. On both occasions the orders were placed on HK's UK website but the goods were sent from China. On neither occasion was it possible to know where the goods were coming from - the reasonable assumption being that "from a warehouse near you" means somewhere that is at least on the same continent. Ipswich is a long way from Hong Kong.

As I said, UK import VAT and duty are payable when the goods are sent direct from non-EU to UK retail customer. It would be nice if the retail customer were made aware of this at the time of order. I speak with over 30 years' experience in HMC&E (not that embarrassing shambles called HMRC).

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« Reply #39 on: July 11, 2013, 02:06:30 pm »

One of our local modellers is quick to tell me about the latest bargain obtained from the above suppliers. Despite having suffered both speed control and motor failures with their products in the past, he merely tells me that he has bought extras of both as 'spares' in case of future failures :o , what hope for those who prefer to sell product that actually works, at a proper price?
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« Reply #40 on: July 11, 2013, 03:35:49 pm »

Just been on HK UK ware house site.
I can see were you can get stung. I took a ramdom ESC. there was an Austrailain , EU and Uk flag sysmpols there . Click on the differnt flags redirects you to that country web site. It does say on the top of the redirectd page what county warhouse you are looking at but if you were not on the ball or in a rush you coud still belive you are in the UK warehouse.

The pricing is very odd. 1st it is all in $ on The UK warehouse site .second the esc was $40.56 on the Uk home page esc listing then when you clik the UK flag it shows the product in the Uk warehouse but the price goes up to $43.37. If you clicked on the photo of the ESC it would take you to the International warehouse were the price was $40.56. Well vat in the UK is 20% that would be about $8.11 taking it to $48.67 that more than the $43.37 shown for the UK.
If you order an item from the UK warehouse and Hobby king decide to ship it from out of the EU they are have to take the fall on VAT/Import tax. If you go to the USA , Hong Kong, or any other non EU hobby king warehouse then it is you who have to take the fall.
I think there web site is a joke as you are redirected from the UK site with out notice as most people will click on the photo to look at the item ,then if they want it they will hit add to cart not realising they are now on a NON uk website.

AS for uk model shops saying people go to HK or Ebay ,well may be they should up there game. some have and are doing very well , others are just a joke.
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« Reply #41 on: July 11, 2013, 03:45:29 pm »

If the item(s) are not available from the the U.K. warehouse the website quite clearly tells you that, also the carriage costs should also reflect that.

Maybe a little more attention should be payed when ordering from H.K. U.K.



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« Reply #42 on: July 11, 2013, 03:48:59 pm »


AS for uk model shops saying people go to HK or Ebay ,well may be they should up there game. some have and are doing very well , others are just a joke.
JOhn


A fair point but spare a thought for the retailer..... It would be great to have everything on the shelf in your local hobby shop but stock costs money and the retailer may have to sit on it for some time before its sold, a lot of retailers simply cannot afford to do this.  They need stuff they can turn around in 30 days or so.
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« Reply #43 on: July 11, 2013, 04:00:30 pm »


A fair point but spare a thought for the retailer..... It would be great to have everything on the shelf in your local hobby shop but stock costs money and the retailer may have to sit on it for some time before its sold, a lot of retailers simply cannot afford to do this.  They need stuff they can turn around in 30 days or so.

That the retails problem NOT the customers. Ok on big box items like may be That ready built Titanic that gos for about £1000 ok order it in for the customer with in 5 to 10 days . I am talking basic stuff. Paint racks that are half empty etc. Like I said it is up to them to up there game. some shops open 10 till 4 and 1/2 day on sat. How is a customer who works ment to get to them . They cant nece people hit the net. I know shops that have no web site so if you dont know about them you would have never found them. The world has moved on since the 1950 were some shops are still stuck in. Buiness is changing all the time and if you stand still in a global competive market then you will lose market share.
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« Reply #44 on: July 11, 2013, 04:14:41 pm »

If the item(s) are not available from the the U.K. warehouse the website quite clearly tells you that, also the carriage costs should also reflect that.

Maybe a little more attention should be payed when ordering from H.K. U.K.

I would quess you use HK Uk a fair bit .  For people who do not or a first timer it would be very easy to fall in to  getting stung for import tax+ vat.  Clearly marked thats questionale . I saw it because i was looking for it. Enter a Uk web site via google it say hobby king uk then redirected with out any pop up telling you  just a chang in the banner but all prices are still in $ as on the uk site I could see how people could get confused in to thinking they were still on the Uk site.
Postage well I ordering items from the uk and Germany via Ebay and the prices people charge are all over the place note that is for items that are about the same size and weight.

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« Reply #45 on: July 11, 2013, 06:08:19 pm »

That the retails problem NOT the customers. Ok on big box items like may be That ready built Titanic that gos for about £1000 ok order it in for the customer with in 5 to 10 days . I am talking basic stuff. Paint racks that are half empty etc. Like I said it is up to them to up there game. some shops open 10 till 4 and 1/2 day on sat. How is a customer who works ment to get to them . They cant nece people hit the net. I know shops that have no web site so if you dont know about them you would have never found them. The world has moved on since the 1950 were some shops are still stuck in. Buiness is changing all the time and if you stand still in a global competive market then you will lose market share.

Valid points, however if all the UK based warehouses, Ripmax, Perkins, Hobby Company, Horizon Hobby, Hornby etc sold their products direct, on line, at a greatly reduced price, you would be happy, everyone else wanting to save a quick couple of quid here and there would be happy, then there would be NO model shops able to compete, all gone, not even open 10 till 4, or half day on Saturday, where would you buy your pot of paint from then?
Model Zone and Amerang in administration, they sell the same type of tat as Hobby King, keep supporting your local Chinese wholesale/retailer and this is what happens....
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« Reply #46 on: July 11, 2013, 07:38:26 pm »

I think with in five years or so, the high street model shop will be history, save for maybe a handful of specialist retailers dotted around the country.

I purchase nearly all my model equipment on line, a visit to a model shop entails a trip uptown, often to find they probably don't have what I want anyway. Lets face it, most model shops are little more than toy stores, stuffed full of big box items designed to appeal to the five minute wonder brigade.

The big problem for retailers in the UK is that very little is made on these shores now, so they are left as middle men ramping up the price for imported goods which can be very easily purchased directly at a considerable discount. Years ago the only way to source imported goods was at a model shop, usually having gone through one or two distributors first. The rise of the internet means that game is now up, and has been for quite sometime.

I purchase quite a lot of items from HK, mainly radio, motors and batteries. The quality is very good on the items I have received, I've had little to complain about to date. Certainly not tat.

Where I can I support our own manufacturers, I use UK made brushed ESC's (Microgyros), I used to purchase my radio from UK suppliers (Fleet) until they went under, I drive a UK built and designed car (Mini).

If UK model stores and suppliers want to compete with outfits like HK, they will have to do so by diversifying and going back to grass roots. Think about introducing product lines that are original, small items you can't get anywhere else etc.

The snag with that is soon as you come up with a product that is any good and sells well, you can bet your life the Chinese will copy it and sell it at half the price or less. But that's what you get for thirty years of underinvestment in your home industry, and moving it all overseas. They sowed the wind.
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« Reply #47 on: July 11, 2013, 07:58:10 pm »

The only way the model shops in the U/K or elsewhere can survive is to form a buying group, that way they will get the benefit of mass buying & marketing, if not they don't have much chance of survival, Mick B.
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« Reply #48 on: July 11, 2013, 08:25:15 pm »

I think to a certain extent that already exists. For instance the Ripmax owned Hobbystores chain.

I'd wish anyone the best of luck trying to organize a group of independent retailers
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« Reply #49 on: July 11, 2013, 10:08:42 pm »


On reflection, I do suppose we are still in the the early days of on-line shopping, most new companies or new markets have teething problems to start with but they mostly get it right ..... mostly! Eventually on-line retailers, just like a retail shop, they will have to realize on-line customer expect a "service", especially the service they are advertising on their website!   >>:-(
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