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Graupner Prince of Wales
« on: September 04, 2012, 10:02:24 pm »

Doesn't anyone in this company listen? The latest ARTR effort from Graupner (via China of course) looks fantastic but what do you think of this?

http://www.graupner.de/mediaroot/files/2159_PRINCE_of_WALES_en.pdf

Look at the hull access, how the heck are you suppose to work on the electronics let alone ballast the thing is beyond me?! And don't think of putting it anywhere mildly damp without putting some kind of sealant on that thin wood veneer they use as the deck.
Even so I'm not half tempted...
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Re: Graupner Prince of Wales
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2012, 10:10:04 pm »

Almost as bad as your Scharnhorst and she ran on Lead Acid batteries, at least this one is running on decent batteries.

Bob
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Re: Graupner Prince of Wales
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2012, 10:11:10 pm »

I might be down to see you with one of these...... :}
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Re: Graupner Prince of Wales
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2012, 10:13:36 pm »

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

Oh OK if you do then PLZ talk to me about the fitting out.

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Re: Graupner Prince of Wales
« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2012, 07:28:19 am »

Putting the running gear in this model looks like trying to paper your hall stairs & landing threw your letterbox!
Not for me thank you, i like to make this part of the building as near perfect as poss to avoid problems when enjoying the sailing of vessel.

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Re: Graupner Prince of Wales
« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2012, 08:15:19 am »

Doesn't anyone in this company listen? The latest ARTR effort from Graupner (via China of course) looks fantastic but what do you think of this?

http://www.graupner.de/mediaroot/files/2159_PRINCE_of_WALES_en.pdf

Look at the hull access, how the heck are you suppose to work on the electronics let alone ballast the thing is beyond me?! And don't think of putting it anywhere mildly damp without putting some kind of sealant on that thin wood veneer they use as the deck.

Unless you've got hands like boxing gloves, I don't see the problem {:-{

Putting the running gear in this model looks like trying to paper your hall stairs & landing threw your letterbox!
Not for me thank you, i like to make this part of the building as near perfect as poss to avoid problems when enjoying the sailing of vessel.

See above, and also it's already fitted.

So to summarise - if you dislike it so much - DON'T BUY IT!!!
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Re: Graupner Prince of Wales
« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2012, 08:50:25 am »

Who rattled your cage, did you get out of bed the wrong side ?  {:-{
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Re: Graupner Prince of Wales
« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2012, 09:43:23 am »

It looks very nice, there's a model of the HMS Hood that makes a semi regular appearance our way, it is a quality model and the detail is very good.

3 pages of warnings etc, thats what I cant get over, I hate this world that has no common dog  **** >>:-(

I agree he hull access is not fantastic, a member of our club has the whole deck lift off his 1/144 USS New Jersey which makes for excellent access but as soon as the wind or a model with a large wake passes........ well the auto bilge pump is effective %)

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Re: Graupner Prince of Wales
« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2012, 11:27:20 am »

It appears both funnels are the same dimensions,on all KG5 class the aft funnel and fore funnel were same height but of different shape,I suppose a good modeller could put this right but should not have to,still a nice model anyway.
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Re: Graupner Prince of Wales
« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2012, 10:26:52 pm »

Dear CF-FZG, yes it does come with shafts and motors fitted but nothing else. The trouble is trying to ballast it and fix the ballast in the right places like the tip of the bow for example. Also it means keeping all the electronics and wires very very close to each other, my Sharnhorst for example had to have its Action mixer fitted to a bit of plywood glued on top of the motors, it was the only way to make it easy to reach. The coupling for the propeller shafts to the motors is held by some tiny tiny screws and it is very hard to see them (as there is not enough light) so they are easy to damage when maintaining the shafts, trying to fit them again and tighten them up is a mixture of guess work and swearing. I don't know why access was done like this, it would have been better if the whole deck could have been removable, with the Titanic you can take the whole superstructure off. Also there are some very fine detailed parts near the openings and they are easy to damage while you are trying to fit heavy stuff inside the hull. The paint work is easy to damage as it has no varnish/protection, I actually rubbed some hull red off while wiping a mark with a damp cloth.
We are talking almost £1000 pounds here ok and I actually own one and so I'm not an armchair critic.
They must have had over 3 years of customer feed back about these models so far. They are very popular subjects and very attractive to people like me who don't have the time to build one of these so its frustrating that something so basic as decent internal access has not been addressed. Whats the point of all that detail and work if the deck veneer warps and ruins the boat on its first contact with water, why bother with that beautiful colour scheme if it rubs off so easily?!!
 
 
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Re: Graupner Prince of Wales
« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2012, 11:51:16 pm »

Boathound,

As far as the access is concerned, I stand by my earlier comments.
Without blowing my own trumpet, I have spent many years of working blind in very confined spaces with very restricted access, I may have been guilty of forgetting that not everyone has done the same type of work :embarrassed:

As for the quality of the build/finish of the kit, especially at this kind of price - well, that's something that should be addressed to the manufacturer really, (although it is appreciated that we get a 'heads up' from people like yourself).


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Re: Graupner Prince of Wales
« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2012, 05:35:45 am »

Not what you want to read in a model boat manual  :o

"Do not expose the model to strong humidity, hot or cold temperatures or contamination."
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Re: Graupner Prince of Wales
« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2012, 01:10:07 pm »

So to summarise - if you dislike it so much - DON'T BUY IT!!!

I won't!!!............but why so defensive about it CF-FZG...............did you design it......... {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
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