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Latest Project...
« on: September 22, 2012, 11:33:26 pm »

Well, while I'm waiting on various things for my other projects, I thought I'd dig this out of the cupboard...



I've put it in the general section as I'm not yet sure what I will actually be doing with hull in the end. Some of you may remember a few months ago I made a post about a boat I'd found at work, and took home with me, well now I've also acquired the moulds, for the hull, and for the deck. Using these moulds it makes a small speedboat, but I think the hull could also be suited to a little sailing dinghy, or a rowing boat, or it could make a nice looking speedboat with a wooden deck.

So I'm using the ready make hull I've got as a bit of a prototype, see how it handles, see if any modifications need to be made to the mould for the final model, and to give me something to do today. I had to use the various bits I had lying around from other projects that never got going, and butchered some from boats I don't use. So I ended up with this selection of bits...



First job was to mark and cut out a hole for the rudder, and a slot for the prop shaft. I have to say its a lot nicer working with fibreglass than with the plastic of Revell type kits! Very dusty, but it actually cuts ok, instead of melting! To cut the slot I drilled a series of very small holes, using a dremel type tool, and then used a file attachment to 'cut' through the remaining parts separating the holes, then used a small file to try and smooth and square it up.



The rudder was fitted 1st, and as usual, the thread didn't go down far enough on whatever the black tube that the rudder fits in is called.... sorry if you don't understand the technical terms.... So I had to use and old favourite of mine, a bottle cap with a hole cut in, to act as a spacer. I smeared silicone sealant around the base of the bottle cap before fitting it over the shaft and them tightening up the but to 'hopefully' make a watertight seal.



I then used the rudder as a visual aid in lining up the propshaft, and used a hot glue gun to set it in place, before using some ModelBond Gel to firmly fix it. Unfortunately it seems that at some point the prop shaft shifted to 1 side slightly as the centre of the prop is now about 4mm to the left of the centre line of the rudder (looking from the stern). I'm hoping this won't cause too many problems, but as this is only a test bed it shouldn't matter too much. So at this stage the rudder and prop shaft are now fitted....





I had a quick tea break, had a packet of biscuits, and soldered some wires on to the motor. At which point I looked away while picking up the soldering iron and burnt the tip of 1 of my fingers.... So 10 mins later and a lot of cold water run over my finger, I decided to get on with the internals. A quick check of the best layout showed my splitcell battery pack would be best, each half sitting either side of the prop shaft, RX mounted using sticky back velcro as high as I could get it, and the ESC mounted in the same fashion on the opposite side of the hull. The rudder is fixed using both ModelBond Gel, and hot glue, and the motor is fixed using hot glue. Though at first I hadn't taken into account the fact I need the bend the motor mount to get the right angle to connect the motor and shaft, as such when I did bend the mount, the motor was moved backwards and didn't leave enough clearance, so I had to take it out re-mark it and re-glue it.



At that point I thought a quick bath test would be good, this revealed that the batteries needed to be shift back towards the stern, and that I'd forgotten to tighten the grub screws on the shaft couplings! And that water seemed to be getting in from 1 of the holes I'd made, but I couldn't see exactly where from. To seal this hidden leak I made up some Fastglas resin, and poured it into, and around, the hull making sure it went all around the prop shaft and rudder, and left it in the garden to dry. The intention was to leave it until tomorrow, where I'd use a carrier bag taped over the open part of the deck to seal it, and take it for sea trials. But I got bored....

I decided a little screen might look quite good, so used paper, taped to the deck, and gradually trimmed down to the right shape, to make a template...





This was then taped to a sheet of litho-plate, and carefully (but quite badly) cut out using a sharp craft knife.



I'll be using small bolts to attach this to the raised lip around the opening in the deck, but I don't think my GF or son would appreciate it much if i started drilling at this time of night. I've also used paper to make a template of the opening, so I can make a cover out of litho-plate to stop water getting in while on trials tomorrow.


Mods feel free to move this somewhere else, I'm just not sure what type of model this will end up as so could well go in several sections here....
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Re: Latest Project...
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2012, 12:17:26 am »

Interesting. I sometimes wonder about an elecctric speedboat to carry in the back of the car. For info, how long is the hull, what is the motor (540?), prop and are the battery packs 3 cells each? I Look forward to the video.
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« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2012, 12:50:34 am »

Hi, the boats measurements are as follows: (Approx.)

59cm/23.25 inches long
19cm/7.5 inches at the widest point
13cm/5 inches at the stern

Prop is a 35mm 2 blade plastic prop, and the motor is either 540 or 550, and the batteries were a custom made pack from 'the component shop', cost around £15 delivered I think, there are 3 x 3300mAh 7.2V cells in each pack.

I hope to have a clearer video than usual, may ask someone other than my GF to film it.... And I also hope to have the moulds and plugs and a selection of various coloured gelcoats in my garage in the next few weeks...
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« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2012, 03:23:01 am »

... :o...is Black Rat a beer or a cider?............................... {-) Derek......  %)
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« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2012, 02:43:34 pm »

Black Rat is THE best cider! There are 3 types, 2 are weak and like blackthorne, the 3rd is so cloudy you can't see your fingers on the other side of the glass, and knocks me off my feet after 5-6 pints.... I hope to have a barrel at our wedding.

So, picking up where I left off last night, (though I did forget to take pics of what I was doing today). My 1st job today was to tape the 'windscreen' to the boat and then drill 5 holes through the litho plate, and through the fibreglass, using the smallest size drill I had at 1st, and then drilling bigger so I could use small bolts to attach it.



Once that was bolted in place I used the template I'd made last night to make a cover to go over the opening in the deck. This was also made using litho plate, and was made slightly wider than the opening so it would be curved to allow water (should it splash up that much) to run off the side's of the boat.





Then all that was left was to take it to the lake for its test runs..... the 1st video is with the splitcell pack, which I thought I'd charged, but seemed to only last about 10-15 mins...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZTInnIp_vA&feature=plcp

And this 2nd video is with a fully charged stick pack, both packs are 7.2V

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bESzXda9VA&feature=plcp

The test showed that it was surprisingly stable, I'd thought being quite a smooth round hull, it may prove to be quite unstable but that wasn't the case, and it also proved to quite agile! I will have a look at fitting a bigger motor, and possibly upgrade it to a higher voltage lipo pack, but all in all it was a very satisfactory test!

Now I just need to get the mould/plug home and make up another hull to use as a test bed for a different design...
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« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2012, 01:22:46 am »

Been meaning to update this for a few days, I've decided to experiment with a brushless set up, and have ordered a (hopefully) appropriate motor and ESC from HobbyKing. Only to then realise I've got a motor and ESC here, and a very small 11.1V Lipo pack only 800Mah. The brushless motor has no writing on it so I don't know what size it is, but it seems to turn fast on 11.1V, so I decided to put it in this hull and see what happens. I had to bodge together something to mount the motor on, which found me plundering the scraps bin, where I found these bits:



A piece of 1.5mm plasticard, and a cover from an old ESC. Also the bolts I had were far too long, meaning I had to use a lot of washers. (I always forget to take pictures as I go so this was after i drilled all the necessary holes)

I flattened 1 end of the cover, and bent the other to approx. the correct angle to get the motor aligned with the prop shaft:



There were already 2 holes in the ESC cover, so I marked the plasticard and drilled through it so I could bolt the 2 together, and also drilled the 4 holes to attach the motor to:



Bolts go through the back, with a load of washers attached, and a metal plate on the motor side, and into the back of the motor:



Leaving the motor hanging from the other side...



Pictured here in the boat, but the photos not very good looks out of line, it's not yet glued in:



The motor is slightly out of line, but that shouldn't matter as this is purely a test, for a bit of fun. It's not pretty, but it should hold the motor securely to give it a run.

The real experiment with brushless will come in a month or 2, when I make a lighter, thinner hull, as this 1 is incredibly thick and heavy. I'm also looking at a making a different deck, thinking of moving the cockpit forwards and making it smaller, then fitting a dummy V12 or a couple of dummy V8's behind. And hopefully be doing a sail powered version at some point in the next few months...


Edit* on the initial test run with the brushed 540 motor there was a leak through the rudder post, which I have hopefully now cured with silicone sealant...
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« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2012, 07:41:58 am »


You've made a neat job of that!   :-))
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« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2012, 09:20:13 pm »


You've made a neat job of that!   :-))


Creative photography, hiding the worst of it....  :}

Will take it for a test run sunday, 1st on a 11.1V lipo, but as it's only 800Mah, I'll be trying it on a 5000 Mah 7.2V nimh pack as well... And sometime next week I'll be making another couple of hulls, and also hope to be making another larger hull, pics to follow end of next week.....

Just a quick list of proposed models so far:

Sail powered version, possibly a small sailing dinghy style, but I'll have to get help on that having not done a sail boat before.
Brushless powered speedboat, with wooden deck, and dummy engines
Water jet drive version, undecided on the appropriate deck for this, sometimes I wish I was better at drawing, would help if I could find squared paper somewhere!
Possible river day boat, with small cabin

And 1 hull is going to a club member who I think intends to do a Riva style boat (also looking at trying to mould a different shaped stern to bolt on)


Should keep me busy for a while! Especially with the others I've got on the go.
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« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2012, 02:35:43 am »

Wedding? Kept that quite. Are we all invited?
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« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2012, 01:16:09 pm »

Huh? Where did I mention that? Lol anyway I thought I'd told you...

Late gettin to thesis today, will be going soon, had 'issues' with the lipo I was planning on using, so currently waiting for another to charge.
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« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2012, 06:49:34 pm »

Well I finally got to the lake, and the brushless motor is er well fast.... without thinking I took my only Lipo pack, an 11.1V 800Mah pack. This was ridiculously fast, the boat was stood up on its stern and looked like it was about to flip over on itself. Water was rushing over the boat, and when I brought it back to the side and took it out to switch the batteries to a 7.2V Nimh pack, it was full of water... The receiver wasn't working so I had to switch over to another RX/TX combo. And luckily another club member was there with some insulation tape so I could seal the cover over the opening in the deck...

Anyway here's a couple of videos of it in action with the 7.2V pack, it was still very stable in the turns, but needs ballast in the bow and some sort of trim tab on the back to try and keep the bow down. Hopefully have that sorted this week and take it for another test next Sunday. Once I can get that sorted I think it should be a very quick boat, the 3300Mah nimh pack lasted about 40 mins, and that was alot of full or almost full power.

These videos also show a good comparison of recording quality between iPhone 4 and iPhone 5.

1st video is on the iPhone 4:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=900CIwVbv_4&feature=plcp

2nd is the iPhone 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ypHvx2RYCs&feature=plcp

Should've held the phones the other way round for better videos!
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« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2012, 09:52:24 pm »

On it's first trip out it shot across the lake in 4' hops on it's stern, almost vertical, never seen anything like it. The old lad did well to hold on to it!
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« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2012, 11:09:32 pm »

Haha! Yea it was a bit more lively than I 1st described. Obviously it was down to the 1st rate control that it stayed afloat...  %) Wish I'd got a video of it, to remind me not to put a boat and whack it up to full power when I'm only testing it Lol Throttle working in reverse, and forwards only ESC didn't help too much either.
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« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2012, 09:26:08 am »

would have loved to see photos of the first run on the 3s lipo  {-)

I had the same issue with my Huntsman.... you might be able to tame it by moving the batteries further forward and adjusting the soft start option on the ESC (if fitted)
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« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2012, 06:24:56 pm »

Maybe I'll put the 3S in again next weekend, now I know what to expect, and get a quick video for you...  the batteries can be moved further forward, but it would be awkward to place them. However I have got some lead sheet, that I'll hammer into shape and fit inside the bow. It'll be more difficult than placing batteries further forward, but it'll only be done the once.

The last 2 days at work I've spent my lunch break making a couple more hulls, and over the next couple of days I'll be making the deck to go with them. Had a play around with mixing up some different colours, and settled on cream. However I have been informed we make the colours for lifeboats, so tempted to do a fantasy lifeboat, with either this or the other larger hull, and use the proper blue and orange.

The 1st hull hasn't turned out great, the mould is old and marked and the marks came out on the hull, also in 1 place I didn't put enough gelcoat on and so you can see the fibreglass strands through the gelcoat, and unfortunately there's a small air bubble in the fibreglass. I went a lot more carefully on the 2nd hull, and will get it out the mould when I get in to work tomorrow, I put a lot more gelcoat on the 2nd hull so hopefully no problems with fibres showing through.

Here's a few pic of the 1st hull, with the 3rd showing the spot of thin gelcoat...







The colour doesn't show up too well in these photo's, the lights bad in the room I was in, and had to be quick as we're not actually allowed our phones on us anywhere inside the manufacturing area. Apparently phones are a fire risk, but all the computers, TV's etc aren't...
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« Reply #15 on: October 10, 2012, 07:58:04 pm »

I took the 2nd hull out the mould today and it came out a lot better than the 1st, no bubbles, and much thicker gelcoat so theres no glass matting showing through this time. Today's lunch was spent making a deck for 1 of the hulls, unfortunately doing it a bit at a time means I have to make up the colour each time so I can't guarantee matching the colour, but soon I'll be able to colour match things as well. Just have to use proper coloured gelcoats, instead of using clear and mixing pigments in.

I got some photos of the other hull, it's made from a mould, given to the company by either fairline or sunseeker, to use as a demo of what our products can be used for to show potential customers. There are some pictures lurking somewhere of the boat its modelled on and I'll see if I can find them...

you can see the plug for the small boat in the top left and thats 2 of the hulls just in the right...













While glassing the deck someone else popped their head round the corner and gave me this, he said he's lost track of the mould and plug, so if I want to make any more of these I'll have to cut this 1 in half and use it as a mould. Unless anyone here has any suggestions as to how to use it as a mould with the deck still attached? I didn't have a tape measure on me but at a guess I'd say its about 28 inches long and about 6 inches wide...









*edit* This boats been sat around in the plant for a long long time so is a bit battered in places but nothing a bit of filler won't solve.
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« Reply #16 on: October 11, 2012, 08:11:01 am »











This hull is a full plug, to make the mould you need to flange it at the widest point of the hull, Here I've used Nycell but any shiny material will work such as laminex, when the half mould is done pull off the temporary flange and wax the "moulded" flange as you would the plug.

The little boat has too much rocker to be anything but slow, trim tabs will only help to a point.

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« Reply #17 on: October 11, 2012, 03:34:41 pm »

The little boat has too much rocker to be anything but slow, trim tabs will only help to a point.

That all depends on your definition of fast, and slow, sure it's not gonna be as fast as an offshore power boat, but I wouldn't exactly call it slow either. Considering the type of boat it will probably end up as (Riva, shakepsear etc type) it'll be fine, just need to get the nose down a bit!



Took the deck out the mould today, was a PITA to get out the mould, don't think I waxed it enough, left the colour a bit dull. But on the plus side, it appears to be an exact colour match to the hull. Can't bring the hull home on the bike, but will be using the car next week so will have the hulls home sometime over the next week.
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« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2012, 05:23:59 pm »

Got the hulls, moulds and plug home now, so I'll be making a few more soon. Also made another of the bigger hulls (the yellow 1 in the posts above). I did it in white and it looks a lot better. Now I just need to decide what to make it into. It's supposed to be a pleasure yacht, but they don't really interest me so trying to think of other things it could be, some sort of fast launch, harbour patrol, police boat or something...

anyway heres some pics...













I'm thinking maybe twin brushless motors, connected to 2 graupner mini jets...
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« Reply #19 on: October 19, 2012, 05:33:54 pm »

Hi Derrick,

You may have trouble with waterpick up to the jets because of the shape of the hull, unless of course you mod the hull to suit, seems a shame going down that route, personally I'd stick a single shaft surface drive in it or go the submerged drive way, which ever way the design looks like it will cope with either quite admirably.... Don't forget there is a 15mph restriction on Wickies lake so I'm led to believe  :-)) so you might have to choose the power supply wisely mate.

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« Reply #20 on: October 19, 2012, 05:45:56 pm »

Hi Derrick,

You may have trouble with waterpick up to the jets because of the shape of the hull, unless of course you mod the hull to suit, seems a shame going down that route, personally I'd stick a single shaft surface drive in it or go the submerged drive way, which ever way the design looks like it will cope with either quite admirably.... Don't forget there is a 15mph restriction on Wickies lake so I'm led to believe  :-)) so you might have to choose the power supply wisely mate.

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Got the mould for the hull so can make as many as I want if modding the hull to suit jet drives goes wrong...

Think ill be going with the police launch style, flashing lights, siren, if its on official police business it can break the limit.... Lol or fit it with a radar jammer.     :-))
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« Reply #21 on: October 19, 2012, 06:53:27 pm »

I meant to add, the dimensions for this hull are: 35.5inches/90cm long, and 11inches/28cm wide.
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« Reply #22 on: October 20, 2012, 12:24:57 am »

I meant to add, the dimensions for this hull are: 35.5inches/90cm long, and 11inches/28cm wide.
Be good for a small IC then  :}
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« Reply #23 on: October 20, 2012, 10:27:54 am »

Be good for a small IC then  :}

Nah I had enough of whiney smelly 2 strokes when I was 16, but I'll gladly make you a hull for a small fee if you want to try! :-))
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« Reply #24 on: October 20, 2012, 10:49:00 am »

Nah I had enough of whiney smelly 2 strokes when I was 16, but I'll gladly make you a hull for a small fee if you want to try! :-))
Morning Derrick, I've got more hulls than you can shake a stick at, just need to find the time to build them  {-) {-) {-)
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