Topic: Model ships in museums (Read 14480 times)

Arrow5 · « **on:** November 11, 2012, 11:01:04 am »

I`ve just returned from a trip to southern Germany and had to go and have another day in the Deutsches Museum in Munich. You would need a week in this place, however this time I was determined to get down to the basement level and see U1 , the first U-boat of the German Navy. I think we should have section for " models in museums". Think of the builder`s models , shipping company and travel agent`s models that we hardly ever see, some hidden gems in local museums that we might not visit otherwise. I`ll kick-off with a few of the superb sailing ship models in the Munich museum. Perhaps the Mods could give some thought to a "Museums" slot ?

Arrow5 · « **Reply #1 on:** November 11, 2012, 11:14:42 am »

Following on from the above post I`d better post at least a couple of pics of the U-1. It is cutaway on the stbd side to shoe the interior.

Colin Bishop · « **Reply #2 on:** November 11, 2012, 11:16:48 am »

Some lovely models there Arrow.

Unfortunately, in this country most of the major maritime museums have put the majority of their models into storage over the last few years in favour of 'interactive displays' saying that there is very little public interest in them which is probably the case. It is a great shame though.

Colin

Arrow5 · « **Reply #3 on:** November 11, 2012, 11:23:31 am »

A sad fact Colin. "Interactive" read crash bang wallop, press the button and watch it go bang,flashing lights and day-glo colours. Where is the educational and historical value in that I ask ? "Dumbing down" are the current buzzwords, a hideous term IMHO

cos918 · « **Reply #4 on:** November 11, 2012, 11:32:38 am »

As A modler
I have been to several martime muesum. I wlk past the older sailing ships to get to the more morden ships. I have on interst in the older stuff and I am a modler who like s ships. There are people who like the older stuff but not the morden So it is hard for muesum to justife these exibets.

john

dreadnought72 · « **Reply #5 on:** November 11, 2012, 11:44:34 am »

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A nef! That's lovely!! (Backbone of the English fleet - Naval and merchantile - during the 13th century, and around at the time of the earliest cogges.

Andy

Arrow5 · « **Reply #6 on:** November 11, 2012, 11:50:57 am »

I agree John. Most museums I`ve been to tend to be reluctant to show modern vessels with the possible exception warships. The Munich museum only had a couple of modern passenger ships but had a fair amount of working ships. I loved the workmanship on the sailing ship models, especially the realistic sails. Lots of model engineering, paddle-wheels (some full-size) , steam engines and so on. You`ve seen the Silja "Europa" on another post, attached is the other passenger ship on show.

Arrow5 · « **Reply #7 on:** November 11, 2012, 12:15:29 pm »

Well spotted Dreadnought72, and the prize is .....

dreadnought72 · « **Reply #8 on:** November 11, 2012, 01:11:43 pm »

Braunschweig class in foreground? Not sure what's behind that, though.

Andy

Brian_C · « **Reply #9 on:** November 11, 2012, 01:12:21 pm »

hi all, i recently was allowed in the archives of blandford museum newcastle, there were over 200 ship models down there, many in boxes but managed to take over 50 pics of some fantastic shipyard models, warships, cargo, and other working vessels which will probably never be on displays again, all due to the way museums are setup now with their crazy arty farty displays, if martin allows, i will post them on this thread and if members wish to see these pics, regards brian_c

Martin (Admin) · « **Reply #10 on:** November 11, 2012, 01:28:29 pm »

Magnificent!

Martin (Admin) · « **Reply #11 on:** November 11, 2012, 01:38:03 pm »

Here a few pictures I took at the London Science museum a few years ago:
http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/Gallery/Science_Museum/index.htm

... It's closed now - http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=32600.msg321544#msg321544[/b]

heritorasphodel · « **Reply #12 on:** November 11, 2012, 01:41:37 pm »

The Imperial War Museum model storage at the smithery, Chatham dockyard has hundreds of models. There are quite a few on display, and I think they occasionally do tours into the actual storage area so you can see another lot of their models, including an 'Original' lifeboat model by Henry Greathead and several models of dockyards. I don't know how often they run these tours, but unfortunately they don't allow photos to be taken.

Andrew

Arrow5 · « **Reply #13 on:** November 11, 2012, 02:09:41 pm »

Quote from: Martin (Admin) on November 11, 2012, 01:28:29 pm

Magnificent!
Yes she is ...and the model ship aint bad either

Arrow5 · « **Reply #14 on:** November 11, 2012, 02:13:38 pm »

My favourite display, it should be on the Clyde somewhere.

DavieTait · « **Reply #15 on:** November 11, 2012, 02:48:53 pm »

If anyones in NE Denmark go to the Aalborg maritime museum , they have an extensive collection of ship and warship models as well as a retired submarine ( from memory they may even have a ww2 german manned torpedo ( the one with the G7 torp slung beneath ) in their large exhibit space

Bob K · « **Reply #16 on:** November 11, 2012, 02:53:48 pm »

Lovely models. Thank you for sharing.

A pity that museum models have mostly been relegated to packing crates piled high in some Warehouse 13, alonside Indiana Jones' crate with the Lost Ark. Removed from public view to make way for fast-walk-through interactive displays with little real interlectual content.

We had quite a lot of public interest in the models sailing at Black Park Lake today.

Arrow5 · « **Reply #17 on:** November 11, 2012, 03:11:37 pm »

Quote from: DavieTait on November 11, 2012, 02:48:53 pm

If anyones in NE Denmark go to the Aalborg maritime museum , they have an extensive collection of ship and warship models as well as a retired submarine ( from memory they may even have a ww2 german manned torpedo ( the one with the G7 torp slung beneath ) in their large exhibit space

The ex Danish Navy submarine is called "Springeren" , now how would I know that

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Arrow5 · « **Reply #18 on:** November 11, 2012, 03:18:20 pm »

Quote from: Bob K on November 11, 2012, 02:53:48 pm

Lovely models. Thank you for sharing.

A pity that museum models have mostly been relegated to packing crates piled high in some Warehouse 13, alonside Indiana Jones' crate with the Lost Ark. Removed from public view to make way for fast-walk-through interactive displays with little real interlectual content.

We had quite a lot of public interest in the models sailing at Black Park Lake today.

Yes, agreed. Just where did the "world`s largest collection of model ships" ex Glasgow Museums go to ? They didn`t end up in the new riverside "Museum of Transport" amongst the bikes, prams, cars and trains etc. Only a couple of the builders` models of the Queens and a small selection of lesser models.

DickyD · « **Reply #19 on:** November 11, 2012, 04:14:45 pm »

Quote from: Brian_C on November 11, 2012, 01:12:21 pm

hi all, i recently was allowed in the archives of blandford museum newcastle, there were over 200 ship models down there, many in boxes but managed to take over 50 pics of some fantastic shipyard models, warships, cargo, and other working vessels which will probably never be on displays again, all due to the way museums are setup now with their crazy arty farty displays, if martin allows, i will post them on this thread and if members wish to see these pics, regards brian_c

I want to see them Bri, so pull your finger out matey.

john s 2 · « **Reply #20 on:** November 11, 2012, 04:35:52 pm »

Just read Andrews post. What right does The imperial war museum have to state no photographs? As a tax payer im funding this.Surely this attitude is totally wrong. John.

Colin Bishop · « **Reply #21 on:** November 11, 2012, 04:56:01 pm »

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Just read Andrews post. What right does The imperial war museum have to state no photographs? As a tax payer im funding this.Surely this attitude is totally wrong. John.

Different museums seem to have different policies on photography. Very often it is due to the use of flash photography. Many people seem to be unable to turn the flash on their cameras off and that can make it very irritating for other visitors. Some museums claim that the flash can cause paintwork on exhibits to fade over time. While this may be true for paintings I doubt if it would apply to models. Another reason is that the museum may be selling images of the exhibits in the form of postcards etc. and they want people to buy these instead.

Personally I think that hand held non flash photography should be permitted in most cases but people do tend to think that rules don't apply to them. Japanese tourists are especially bad and take no notice at all of the pictograph signs.

Colin

Arrow5 · « **Reply #22 on:** November 11, 2012, 05:08:50 pm »

The tour guides at Neuschwanstein Castle now refer to it as Nikonschwanstein Castle.

Bryan Young · « **Reply #23 on:** November 11, 2012, 05:33:39 pm »

Surely most of this "lack of interest" attituce by both Museum staff and the general public (especially the "younger" ones) boils down to "Education". When school teaching of "history" only only goes back 20 or 30 years you can't really blame the kids. This so-called "Sceptered Isle" has betrayed / ignored or even falsified historical land marks. We, as a nation, should be ashamed of ourselves. BY.

heritorasphodel · « **Reply #24 on:** November 11, 2012, 05:42:33 pm »

Having just finished full time education I have to point out that we learn more than just the last 30 years, it was the last 300 or so, but I agree with you that very little is done in schools and the like to encourage interest in history. Most of my generation would rather deal with digital models than actual physical models.

It seems a lot is done to discourage interest in anything non-computerised.

Andrew

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