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Bryan Young

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Re: My Pride and Joy
« Reply #75 on: October 29, 2007, 03:58:40 pm »

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The Rover V8 came about as buick made it out of cast iron and couldnt get the power/weight ratio anywhere near acceptable.

Bob

That’s a bit of an urban myth shipmate, this particular Buick/Oldsmobile/Pontiac V8 was only ever built as an all aluminium engine, and GM turned out close to a million of them in various guises over several years. Apart from the compact shape, light weight and good power output, the design’s biggest advantage was that it was massively understressed with great tuning potential. The engine started with about 155bhp and ended its GM career with well over 200bhp. It was economics that eventually killed it for GM, that and changes in technology and some US car buyer conservatism. GM estimated that an aluminium (or aluminum) engine was at least 50% more expensive to produce than a cast iron one, and with advances in thin wall iron casting techniques, the initial weight advantage had been much reduced. After GM abandoned the engine, Rover saw it as the answer to many of their problems, and bought the design outright in order to avoid royalty payments, a wise move as it turned out, given the UK version’s success. Rover did a lot of development, and later versions were very different from early ones, probably even GM themselves would have hardly recognised it. After a few commercial failures like the Rover SD1 and TR8, we eventually got everything right and sold lots of these excellent engines back to the Americans, this time installed in Range Rovers.


You seem to know what you are talking about, so perhaps you can answer a question that has been bugging me for years.
I seem to recall that BLMC once made a "slant 4" that was taken up by SAAB, and was subsequently doubled up into a V8 and put into the Triumph Stag. Is this true?
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Re: My Pride and Joy
« Reply #76 on: October 29, 2007, 04:22:06 pm »

I think the 16v Dolomite Sprint was part of this in some way. I think. as you could see on one side of the block where the mould had been cut before it was used to form  a four cylinder engine.

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Re: My Pride and Joy
« Reply #77 on: October 29, 2007, 06:00:09 pm »

Hi Anmo, I think it would be just possible in top gear as this car is reasonably low geared (around 4000rpm at 80mph) and for a six pot motor, thats a bit revvy. I don't think I'll be trying that though. I have just spent the past couple of weekends making the interior doorpanels.... nightmare! Cloth and related stuff just aint my thing as I am an engineering type person. I would sooner rebuild a bodyshell than cut bits of cloth out but it's almost there.
 I got my wife to stitch the trim around the edge of bits of carpet using her sewing machine.. bless her, but oh, the mumbling and grumbling which accompanied the process was too much for my delicate ears ::)! These women get very uptight about their sewing machines... she wouldn't let me go near it, but thats ok with me as I would have made a pigs ear of the job anyway. A man has to know his limits and when it comes to this interior material stuff, I am a useless cretin. :P
I wonder if I should ask her if the machine could be used to re-upholster the leather seats....hmmm, perhaps not! 
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Re: My Pride and Joy
« Reply #78 on: October 31, 2007, 02:30:40 pm »


You seem to know what you are talking about, so perhaps you can answer a question that has been bugging me for years.
I seem to recall that BLMC once made a "slant 4" that was taken up by SAAB, and was subsequently doubled up into a V8 and put into the Triumph Stag. Is this true?

I’m a bit surprised that no-one else has jumped in here, but yes Brian, you’re more or less correct, the Triumph Design Centre were contracted by Saab to develop a slant four OHC engine to fit under the bonnet of the FWD Saab 99. Later, when Triumph themselves needed a new model, they took this engine down from the shelf, increased the bore to raise capacity from 1709 to 1850cc, and put it in a RWD version of the Triumph 1500 shell to create the Dolomite. Around the same time, British Leyland had swallowed up Rover, and legendary engineer Spen King started work on the 1850 engine, increasing the bore yet again to produce the 1998cc Dolomite Sprint, a brilliantly clever design that worked 16 valves off a single camshaft. I was at Lotus at the time, and we bought one to look at, the Lotus people were very impressed. To put all this into perspective though, the output of a Dolly Sprint was 127bhp, which isn’t much from two litres by today’s standards, Lotus were getting  an easy 130bhp from their big-valve 1558cc Twincam at the time with better reliability. I never owned a Dolomite Sprint, though I’ve driven a few, and all they tended to oversteer, a bit of a handful driven quickly on a wet road, and an awful lot must have disappeared through hedges, travelling quite quickly backwards. It’s a gross oversimplification, but the Triumph Stag V8 was essentially two Dolomite engines on a common crankcase. As a driving experience, the Stag must have been loved by everyone who sat behind the wheel, one of the very best engines of it’s day, though ownership was a different matter. Design faults and the usual BL engineering and assembly problems meant that the V8s were chronically unreliable, just where do I start? The crankshaft bearings were too small, though this was corrected in later versions, but the car’s main problem was overheating. Bad casting techniques meant that water couldn’t circulate properly through the iron block, and poor quality aluminium heads warped at the first sign of trouble. There was also a fault in the timing chain design, these used to stretch and snap with inevitable engine-wrecking consequences. The Dolomite was a success, but the Stag ruined Triumph’s reputation and cost them a fortune. However, a derivative of the original slant four in much developed form, lives on under the bonnets of petrol powered Saabs to this day, and an excellent (though thirsty) engine it is too. Anyone want to hear the story of how I once refused an almost free Triumph Stag (overruled by then wife), some time in the mid 1980s?

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Re: My Pride and Joy
« Reply #79 on: June 17, 2008, 04:15:30 pm »

This is my pride and joy, she,s a Truimph J C Midge first registered 1966 , herald engine , spitfire cut down chassis, aluminuim skin on plywood bodytub, still have the plans, regards Pete
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Re: My Pride and Joy
« Reply #80 on: September 13, 2012, 01:36:57 pm »

mines kinda shaby to the first yacht but i like it and its a laugh its 12ft long and i use a 2.2hp outboard its fine for pottering up and down the esturary but the thing is i saved up money from my paper round to buy it and its kind of an acivement
i want more picture of this boat in the back ground
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Re: My Pride and Joy
« Reply #81 on: September 15, 2012, 10:01:51 pm »

Either my full size boat "Maple Leaf" or my small sized Collie, Tazley. I spend way too much time and money with both of them
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Re: My Pride and Joy
« Reply #82 on: September 15, 2012, 11:25:45 pm »

May as well add some of my toys to the list.

John




2010 Mustang Shelby Cobra - 540 HP supercharged



1966 Chevelle - 427 Cu.in.  500 HP







1993 Honda Goldwing SE with special paint



My Border Collie Bess


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