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Nordlys

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Motor rotation & propellers
« on: March 21, 2014, 08:09:29 pm »

I am building my first twin engine boat 30" long and need to clarify
how to set up the motors.
Would they rotate in opposite direction to each other and would I need to
consider fitting left and right hand propellers?
I have fitted only one central rudder.
Any help greatly appreciated.
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Re: Motor rotation & propellers
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2014, 08:12:16 pm »


You are correct that contra rotating props is more desirable.

Which way around is debatable but you can always swop them over.    :}


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Re: Motor rotation & propellers
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2014, 08:15:49 pm »

Hi you are right, both props would turn in opposite directions, and yes mate you will need 1 to be left hand and the other right hand.

Regards Dave.

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Re: Motor rotation & propellers
« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2014, 08:22:43 pm »

Thank you for those replies - I can sort out two props now, only looking
at 35mm in size and 2 blade, possibly brass.
Don't really know how to evaluate which is better plastic or brass.
Big difference in price.....
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Re: Motor rotation & propellers
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2014, 08:26:10 pm »


At 35 mm  they would be strong enough so you won't need the extra expense.


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Re: Motor rotation & propellers
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2014, 08:31:39 pm »

Thanks Ken - clear & concise. Great.
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Re: Motor rotation & propellers
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2014, 08:46:27 pm »

It comes down to budget,


Brass props are very shiny and nice on display stands, and they function just as well on a working model, a lot of brass props are created for models where the plastic range cant or don't cater for, Kortz props, sub props etc..


Plastic props are fine and a much cheaper option to the brass counterpart, as an example, a 30mm Brass 3 blade prop would cost you £10 each where as the plastic equivalent will cost you around £2


Don't think just because they are plastic they are flimsy and weak you'll be surprised how tough these props are.. Also a good thing to remember is if the boat throws a prop (which is known to happen) I'ld rather loose £2 in the lake then £10 any day of the week, that being said .. Do the Nut up Tight To The Prop!!!


Prop size however for you boat needs to be considered, what motors are you running in your boat?


As an example a 400 sized motor will happily turn a 30-35mm prop at 6v but the motor will run ''warm'' suggested no more then 30mm for a motor that size, if using a motor 555-600 or 700 then anywhere up to a X45 size prop will be fine, any motors from the 800+ (including the T12 & T24 from Mobile Marine) range any where from the X40, x45 up to the larger 50, 70 & 80mm props will run.


Reason i mention prop size is to do with Amp Draw on the motors which in turn making sure you have the right ESC to do the job.. if you over load a motor with to large a prop, when the boat runs under load ( so put in water) you can blow the ESC if you are drawing more amps because you setup the electrics wrong.


There is No load Draw and under Load Draw its always Under Load Draw you need to pay attention to.


For 400 size motors and under ( were talking brushed motors :DC, Not Brushless) then a 10 Amp ESC will be perfect for the job up to 12v
555-600 size motors at least a 15 amp (20 amp is prefrable and price is Pennys diffrence!!) esc to turn the larger props at a good RPM.


T12 motors and 800 up to 900 sizes you need at least 30-40amp esc's to be on the safe side.


Subject to correction, i would explain Brushless motors and ESC's too at this point, but until you let us know what your planning to power you boat with I'll keep to the 'basics'


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Re: Motor rotation & propellers
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2014, 10:31:30 pm »

What type of boat are they destined for?


Contra rotating props viewed looking forward give marginally better performance with the top of the props turning towards each other, marginally better maneuverability when spinning with the bottoms of the props turning towards each other.


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Re: Motor rotation & propellers
« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2014, 10:32:11 pm »

Phew! That reply took some reading! Thanks.
Although this is only a 30" long boat the scale drawing shows 3 motors
were used on this model RAF Pinnace.
However, I am only using two  -  they are (at the moment) Mtroniks
Vision 600 up to 12v supply.
I may have to alter this set-up once she gets down in the water. (Weight)
I shall be running on either 7.2v or 8.4v supply.
Reason prop is so small is because the angle of propshaft will not
allow anything greater than 40mm prop as it could foul the hull.
But lots of help with these replies - thanks.
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Re: Motor rotation & propellers
« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2014, 03:54:39 am »

just to be different I have similar sized props and asked the same question on here. I ended up with same rotation on both props with no problems but  not having tried counter rotating props I cant say whether they would be even better.
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Re: Motor rotation & propellers
« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2014, 04:05:04 am »

hi Nord.

The curved edge of the prop indicates the direction it should rotate in as shown in the pic.   For your single centre rudder the props should be turning inwards towards the rudder as its the prop wash on the rudder which turns the boat.  You would want your props fitted the opposite way round to what is shown in the pic. 

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Re: Motor rotation & propellers
« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2014, 07:57:33 am »

Thanks Frank. That is very interesting about the prop wash.
I did wonder whether I should have fitted two rudders but
I am hoping that this single rudder will steer it ok.
This model has a very low stern end construction (draft?) and I was thinking
that too much weight at the stern end is not what I want.
A lot depends on the wet stuff test as to whether its an RC model
or a static!
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Re: Motor rotation & propellers
« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2014, 10:17:32 am »

Sorry to but in, but where can you source handed plastic props - 2,3 or 4 blade?
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Re: Motor rotation & propellers
« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2014, 10:47:39 am »

Westbourne Models have LH/RH propellers under their Graupner prop list.
Haven't found any other suppliers yet, doesn't seem to be the demand?
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Re: Motor rotation & propellers
« Reply #14 on: March 27, 2014, 11:44:37 am »

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Re: Motor rotation & propellers
« Reply #15 on: March 31, 2014, 11:37:56 am »

Thanks for the pointers
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Re: Motor rotation & propellers
« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2014, 11:32:21 am »

Oops,I've been running my props wrong then.I always thought that the straight edge was the leading edge of the prop and that the curved edge was the trailing edge. Not that it seems to have made much difference to the performance of my boats though. :-))
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