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Colin Bishop

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Re: 2 MOTORS DRIVING 4 PROPS SHAFTS ANYONE KNOW HOW ?
« Reply #25 on: July 04, 2019, 07:32:47 pm »

With regard to 'O' rings I agree they were not designed for the task but they work extremely well regardless. The things to bear in mind are:

Don't use rings that are too thick as they do not like being deformed from the circular and will not stretch much. Thinner ones are more flexible and forgiving and perfectly strong enough.

When fitted, keep the rings as circular as possible, stretching them simply ramps up the friction and makes them inefficient as well as putting stress on the bearings. It is simple to 'tune' them using an ammeter and a low voltage supply to the motor.

It is surprising how little tension is needed to give a strong, non slip drive. Get it right and you are simply twirling the pulley round rather than compressing the belt and this puts very little stress on the bearing.

Almost all the models I have built over the years have used belt drive of one type or another and they have all proved to be reliable and very efficient in power consumption when geared down. What's not to like?

For a multi screw setup pulleys and belts are rather cheaper than purchasing extra motors and couplings and offer significant gearing advantages while direct couplings are inherently inefficient for the reasons described in my other posts and the slightest misalignment in any dimension introduces friction and a tendency to open up the shaft bearings.

As John says, ideally roller bearing shafts should be used, but in the low RPM low power applications of most scale models it simply isn't necessary in practice. And bear in mind that at the other end of the shaft we accept that there is a propellor which is generating sideways thrust against the bottom bearing and nobody worries about that do they?

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Re: 2 MOTORS DRIVING 4 PROPS SHAFTS ANYONE KNOW HOW ?
« Reply #26 on: July 05, 2019, 09:31:58 am »


OK Colin an John many thanks for your inputs but I shall not be usein 0 rings but cam belts if possible if it all works out  :-))
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Re: 2 MOTORS DRIVING 4 PROPS SHAFTS ANYONE KNOW HOW ?
« Reply #27 on: July 05, 2019, 01:52:19 pm »

I used "O" rings from B&Q on my Iron Duke and they have lasted over two years so far with no issues at all. I machined alloy pulleys and fitted one to the front of the engine before the univrsal joint takes the drive to the inner shaft. The outer shaft uses a matching pulley with widly spaced bearings and again a universal joinyt to the shaft. Basically the engine and pulley system is a complete unit.


The pulley is pinned to one end of the huco universal joint which uses a grub acrew to fit it to the motor shaft so you get motor, pulley, universal joint.


Cut the "O" rings with a very shafp knife and super glue together. As above two years on and its all going strong.


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Re: 2 MOTORS DRIVING 4 PROPS SHAFTS ANYONE KNOW HOW ?
« Reply #28 on: July 05, 2019, 04:20:04 pm »


HI Geoff thanks for your input an some picces would be nice of your layout if possible  :-)) hopefully nick is goin to post some but if you could as well be great as you never can have enough info an pics says it all :-)) all best
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Re: 2 MOTORS DRIVING 4 PROPS SHAFTS ANYONE KNOW HOW ?
« Reply #29 on: July 05, 2019, 04:34:16 pm »

Its not entirely clear but this is probably the best shot of the layout.


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Re: 2 MOTORS DRIVING 4 PROPS SHAFTS ANYONE KNOW HOW ?
« Reply #30 on: July 05, 2019, 06:41:31 pm »

Hi Chris


As promised, some close ups of the pulley and belt system I have on Invincible. Not the easiest pictures to get as I found out... should have taken plently of pictures before I sealed up the back end!



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« Reply #31 on: July 05, 2019, 08:56:51 pm »


CHEERS Geoff for the  piccey an I can an I can see your o rings a great help  :-))
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Re: 2 MOTORS DRIVING 4 PROPS SHAFTS ANYONE KNOW HOW ?
« Reply #32 on: July 05, 2019, 09:02:57 pm »


AN CHEERS Nick some lovely pics an I think this is the way to go for me as with the cam belt 's it cant slip due to teeth on belts an teeth on the pulleys brilliant pics Nick many thanks for takin the time to take picces much appreciatied I will have a good study of them all best
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« Reply #33 on: July 05, 2019, 10:27:08 pm »

Believe it or not but 'O' rings don't slip either! We wouldn't use them if they did.

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Re: 2 MOTORS DRIVING 4 PROPS SHAFTS ANYONE KNOW HOW ?
« Reply #34 on: July 06, 2019, 09:38:17 am »

Believe it or not but 'O' rings don't slip either! We wouldn't use them if they did.

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OK Colin point taken  :-))
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