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Sound Modules
« on: November 13, 2014, 10:08:55 pm »
It seems to me that the Firms making Sound Modules haven't as yet produced modules for moderate sized twin engine diesel boats, & even for single engine boats the choice is bleak.
I know the engine sound for my lifeboat is in musical terms about 'Low A' rising to 'B' as the revs rise,  but all iv found as yet appear to be 'D', 'E', or higher, plus there are some that sound nothing like a boat, I heard one today that sounded more like someone tapping a tin mug wi a teaspoon !
If im missing a good manufacturer, please inform me  {:-{
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Re: Sound Modules
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2014, 10:20:32 pm »
Have you tried the Canadian firm ?
Old age has left me memory challenged tonight, but the name will come to me.
Used one in a 1/6 tank and was even able to change gear change points. Absolutely superb .

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Re: Sound Modules
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2014, 10:36:24 pm »
I don't know which firm you mean Rob ?
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Re: Sound Modules
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2014, 10:41:38 pm »
modelsoundsinc.com I think I remember.
Canadian company with a very clever man at the helm. Tell him what sounds you want and he will find them, and put them on his product.

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Re: Sound Modules
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2014, 10:47:07 pm »
Thanks Rob, iv found the website & i'll check it out tomorrow
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Re: Sound Modules
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2014, 11:10:43 pm »
You could also try Mtroniks and Action Electronics(Component shop) who also do diesel sound units.
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Re: Sound Modules
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2014, 11:17:37 pm »
ACTion Noisy thing and simply download the sound you want and happy days are here again
 
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Re: Sound Modules
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2014, 11:18:52 pm »
British company's product has the facility for the user to change engine revs at idle and peak (and thus everywhere in between) for the price of a CD-ROM - currently a fiver. See here http://www.action-electronics.co.uk/art.php and scroll down to "P100 User Manual Part 2". Page 34 et seq refers. David Harrison of Canadian company is an exceptionally clever man but you must be able to "speak the language".
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Re: Sound Modules
« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2014, 08:09:59 am »
Check out http://www.beier-electronic.de/modellbau/produkte/usm-rc-2/usm-rc-2.php

More than just a sound module - takes a little time to get your head round what it's truly capable of!!

Can play up to 4 sounds simultaneously - on board 2 x 20w amp
Can also switch up to 12 lines / create a sequence to control servo's for say opening closing door / create a switching sequence to represent flashing/strobing lights etc etc/ Play random sounds by itself

A big plus is how you trigger additional non throttle linked sounds as you hold the control stick on your radio for either a short or long time in up to 4 positions per stick.

You can use sounds from CD or add your own and play any standard .wav file all stored on up to 8GB micro SD card - you can even make it into a juke box as it has a wav player function ( play/stop/next/prev), link sounds to events - flash 3 leds in sequence (you configure your own timing of sequence) and play siren at the same time

Check out this I know it's a truck but gives you an idea of what it can do - all the lights / stall - flicker of light/ engine are all controlled by the USM RC 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tpYHtsocFE

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Re: Sound Modules
« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2014, 09:21:23 am »
@rsm Iv already checked out Mtroniks, & rung Component Shop, neither of which do suitable sounds for my boat (I even offered extra money)
@Stavros You say *Download the sound you want* from where ? I cant find it as yet.
@Inertia Yes, I do want it to be interactive with boat speed, but none of these manufacturers produce a boat sound anything even near low note enough for my boat, on tickover its approx. 'Low A' on a music scale, rising to 'B' on revving/
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Re: Sound Modules
« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2014, 09:23:42 am »
@G6SWJ  thanks, it does sound interesting, if over technical for my head !  I'll seek advice on it.
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« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2014, 09:27:40 am »
What manufacturer of engine are you wanting to replicate  ,"ie" Lister Petters Ford Cummins Cat to name a few . If you can tell us some one may know where it is on that U tube thing .
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« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2014, 09:33:53 am »
@david48  Either twin Perkins or twin Thorneycroft, as fitted in the Oakley 37ft (as in my prof pic)  but because the exhaust is at/under water level its  an exceptionally low engine noise, & without any 'treble' as many have.
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Re: Sound Modules
« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2014, 09:37:39 am »
Check out this - single diesel needs to be configured for 2 engines which is possible

http://www.beier-electronic.de/modellbau/service/soundbeispiele/Schiff%20-%20Schiffsdiesel.mp3

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Re: Sound Modules
« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2014, 09:57:37 am »
@G6SWJ, thanks, but that's too high a note, & too 'pistony',  mine needs to be much lower, & raw noise, as if you put a straight through  boy racer exhaust on your Skania
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Re: Sound Modules
« Reply #15 on: November 14, 2014, 10:01:38 am »
David
The P100 Instructions include a section which describes how to convert a standard WAV file into a suitable format for downloading to the unit. The CD-ROM supplied includes a copy of Audacity software to enable you to carry this out and the manual gives stage-by-stage directions, including screen dumps to show you what you will see. All you need is a suitable recording or recordings, which would ideally be from the real vessel. The twin MAN diesels and twin Caterpillar diesels on the P100 CD-ROM were recorded, formatted and made into a sound set by Mike Pendlebury, who posts on here as Gribauval. He very kindly gave them to ACTion for the P100 and may be able to help with the particular engine sounds you need. Mike Mayhew provided many of the narrow-boat engine sounds, also in ASF format for direct transfer to the P100.
The idea of the user-programmable sound unit was reached because no manufacturer could reasonably be expected to obtain and catalogue a library of all possible sounds and offer them free - that would be practically impossible as well as commercially senseless. There are dozens of sound libraries on the Internet, many of whose sounds are free to non-commercial users. Anyone who wants to use them for a commercial reason (e.g. a model sound unit) however, has to pay a hefty license fee. This would need to be passed on in the purchase price i.e. asking the customer to pay for sounds which he may well not need. That's the reason that the sound library is limited as it is. I don't know if either of the other sound systems mentioned here have this DIY facility - I suspect they don't. Sophisticated as they are, the Canadian system is very much oriented towards model aircraft sounds while the German system is a truck and tank module.
I don't have any commercial interest in ACTion any more (apart from helping out at shows) but I think the P100 would be the most suitable if you want to record and play back a specific engine sound. As I usually say, suit yourself.
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Re: Sound Modules
« Reply #16 on: November 14, 2014, 10:06:36 am »
I've had a hunt round and found  a Thornycroft  T 90 on YouTube .I am sorry I do not know how to cut and paste on a I pad . The title was Thornycroft T 90 Starting  and Stoping
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« Reply #17 on: November 14, 2014, 10:08:11 am »
The sound that you hear, irrespective of the source, is what comes out of the speaker.  A small speaker in the open air will always lose deep bass, even though every single item mentioned earlier stores and processes the lower registers to a true HiFi level.  With digital sampling, what goes in is what comes out, plus or minus the quantizing distortion which is dependent on the sampling rate, and usually appears as a background hiss, normally too faint to hear.  It isn't the electronics losing the sound, its the interface between electric and air.
It might simply be that the laws of physics as we understand them will prevent the size of speaker that you can use from fitting in the boat that you want to carry it, with or without making the boat into a proper loudspeaker enclosure.
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« Reply #18 on: November 14, 2014, 10:23:29 am »
Sound is a funny thing when I go to Aberdeen to ship spot all the rig ships pass about 60 yards from the Quay side and you can not hear them just a faint hum as they pass when thy are turning you hear no more sound ,there is only a bit more exhaust smoke ,even when the are going out and give a bit more revs out of the harbour it's only exhaust smoke . Also the pilot boat is hard to hear . So maybe we are all trying to hard even me  with my Noisy Thing in my Fairmount.
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Re: Sound Modules
« Reply #19 on: November 14, 2014, 10:37:20 am »
Inertia,

"while the German system is a truck and tank module."

Simply not true! Simply not true! Simply not true! Simply not true! Simply not true! Simply not true! Simply not true! Simply not true! Simply not true! Simply not true! Simply not true!

Why do they include 23 sound configurations for boats - and have a stunning configuration system if you want to switch boat lights specifically see pic attached (hopefully)

Have you owned and used one or is this just an opinion?

Any body else use the USM RC2 is a boat? - better or just different than other options P100 etc? lets have an open discussion and then people can make their minds up.

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Re: Sound Modules
« Reply #20 on: November 14, 2014, 10:45:48 am »
Thanks to you all, but this has now got so technical that im lost, I'll get my IT techie girlfriend to try & decipher it over the weekend.
@david48 Iv found & listened, again its too light a noise.
@malcolmfrary  I do agree with your 'small speaker' points, which makes it all the more bizarre that manufacturers don't include a 'Bass/Treble' switch as standard (which I could then turn fully to 'Bass only')
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« Reply #21 on: November 14, 2014, 11:01:14 am »
Inertia,

I cannot understand how you can make that statement -  the German one that  "is a truck and tank module

Boat/ships sounds included with USM RC2 - Check out http://www.beier-electronic.de/modellbau/produkte/usm-rc-2/usm-rc-2.php or just add your own .wav files

List below of the boats configurations that come with a USM RC2 Sound Module

• ship - barge Listen inland - Demo of ship   
• ship - steamer Listen steamboat - Demo of ship   
• ship - steamer SS Furie Listen steamship SS Furie - Demo of ship   
• Ship - icebreaker Kontio Listen icebreaker Kontio - Demo of ship   
• Ship - Fireboat Listen Fire Extinguishing boat - Demo of ship   
• Ship - Freighter Listen freighter - Demo of ship   
• Ship - Kutter Listen Cutter - Demo of ship   
• Ship - Kutter_1 Listen Kutter_1 - Demo of ship   
• Ship - Mississippi steamer Listen Mississippi steamer - Demo of ship   
• Ship - Mississippidampfer_1 Listen Mississippidampfer_1 - Demo of ship   
• Ship - patrol boat Hohwacht II Listen patrol boat Hohwacht II - Demo of ship   
• Ship - Police Boat Listen police boat - Demo of ship   
• Marine - Powerboat Mercruiser Mercruiser listen Powerboat - Demo of ship   
• Ship - Riva Aquarama Riva Aquarama listen - Demo of ship   
• Ship - Riva Ariston Listen Riva Ariston - Demo of ship   
• Marine - marine diesel Listen ship diesel - Demo of ship   
• Ship - Schiffsdiesel_1 Listen Schiffsdiesel_1 - Demo of ship   
• Ship - Battleship Bismarck Listen Battleship Bismarck - Demo of ship   
• Vessel - tugboat Listen Tug - Demo of ship   
• Ship - Schlepper_1 Listen Schlepper_1 - Demo of ship   
• Ship - Schlepper_2 Listen Schlepper_2 - Demo of ship   
• Ship - Schlepper_3 Listen Schlepper_3 - Demo of ship   
• Ship - Schlepper_4 Listen Schlepper_4 - Demo of ship   
• Ship - Schlepper_5 Listen Schlepper_5 - Demo of ship   
• Ship - Schlepper_6 Listen Schlepper_6 - Demo of ship   
• ship - lifeboat Listen rescue boats - Demo of ship   
• Ship - Torpedo Boat T56 Listen Torpedo Boat T56 - Demo of ship   
• Ship - Yacht V12 Listen yacht V12 - Demo of ship   


The full list

• Auto - Ford F-350 (V8) Listen Ford F-350 (V8) - Demo by car   
• Auto - Mercedes 320 CDI_1 Listen Mercedes 320 CDI_1 - Demo of car   
• Auto - Mercedes 320 CDI_2 Listen Mercedes 320 CDI_2 - Demo of car   
• Auto - Mercedes C63 AMG Listen Mercedes C63 AMG - Demo of car   
• Auto - Mercedes G (Diesel) Listen Mercedes G (Diesel) - Demo by car   
• Auto - Mercedes Sprinter Listen Mercedes Sprinter - Demo of car   
• Auto - V8 Listen V8 - auto demo   
• Auto - VW Bus Listen VW Bus - auto demo   
• Auto - VW Golf GTI Listen VW Golf GTI - Demo of car   
• excavator - Liebherr Listen Liebherr - Demo of excavator   
• Excavators - Volvo Listen Volvo - Demo of excavator   
• Aircraft - Focke Wulf 190 Listen Focke Wulf 190 - Demo aircraft   
• Aircraft - Me 109 G10 Listen to Me 109 G10 - Demo aircraft   
• Aircraft - Wright radial engine Listen Wright radial engine - Demo aircraft   
• Helicopter - Huey Listen Huey - Demo by helicopter   
• Helicopter - Rescue Helicopter Listen rescue helicopter - Demo by helicopter   
• Dump Truck - Volvo A25C Listen Volvo A25C - Demo by Dump Truck   
• Crawler Loader - Caterpillar Listen Caterpillar - Demo by Crawler Loader   
• Lok - Climax Listen Climax - Demo of Lok   
• locomotive - Locomotive Listen steam locomotive - Demo of Lok   
• Lok - Dampflok_1 Listen Dampflok_1 - Demo of Lok   
• Locomotive - Diesel Listen diesel - Demo of Lok   
• loco - electric locomotive Listen E-Lok - Demo of Lok   
• Lok - GP38 Listen GP38 - Demo of Lok   
• Armor - Elephant Listen Elephant - Demo of tanks   
• Armor - Cheetah Listen Cheetah - Demo of tanks   
• Armor - Gepard_1 Listen Gepard_1 - Demo of tanks   
• Tanks - Jagdpanther Listen Jagdpanther - Demo of tanks   
• Tanks - KV-1 Listen KV-1 - Demo of Tanks   
• Armor - Kanonenjagdpanzer Listen Kanonenjagdpanzer - Demo of tanks   
• Tanks - King Tiger Listen King Tiger - Demo of tanks   
• Armor - Kφnigstiger_1 Listen Koenigstiger_1 - Demo of tanks   
• Tanks - Leopard 1 Listen Leopard 1 - Demo of Tanks   
• Tanks - Leopard 1_1 Listen Leopard 1_1 - Demo of tanks   
• Tanks - Leopard 2 Listen Leopard 2 - Demo of tanks   
• Tanks - Leopard 2A6 Leopard 2A6 listen - Demo of tanks   
• Tanks - M1 Listen M1 - Demo of tanks   
• Armor - M26 Listen M26 - Demo of tanks   
• Armor - M41 Walker Bulldog Listen M41 Walker Bulldog - Demo of tanks   
• Armor - MARS Listen MARS - Demo of tanks   
• Panzer - Panther Listen Panther - Demo of tanks   
• Panzer - Panther G Listen to Panther G - Demo of tanks   
• Panzer - Panther G_1 Listen Panther G_1 - Demo of tanks   
• Armor - Panther_1 Listen Panther_1 - Demo of tanks   
• Panzer - Panzer III Listen Panzer III - Demo of tanks   
• Armor - Tanks III_1 Listen tanks III_1 - Demo of tanks   
• Panzer - Panzer IV Listen Panzer IV - demo of Panzer   
• Armor - Piranha IIIH Listen Piranha IIIH - Demo of tanks   
• Armor - Sd.Kfz. 7 Demo of tanks - Sd.Kfz. 7 listen   
• Tanks - Sherman Listen Sherman - Demo of tanks   
• Tanks - T-34 Listen to T-34 - Demo of tanks   
• Tanks - T-55 Listen to T-55 - Demo of tanks   
• Tanks - Tiger Listen Tiger - Demo of tanks   
• Armor - Tiger_1 Listen Tiger_1 - Demo of tanks   
• Armor - Tiger_2 Listen Tiger_2 - Demo of tanks   
• Armor - Tiger_3 Listen Tiger_3 - Demo of tanks   
• snowcat - PB300 Listen PB300 - Demo by snowcat   
• snowcat - PB600 Listen PB600 - Demo by snowcat   
• snowcat - PB600_2 Listen PB600_2 - Demo by snowcat   
• snowcat - Prinoth Beast Listen Prinoth Beast - Demo by snowcat   
• Wheel Loaders - Liebherr Listen Liebherr - Demo of wheel loaders   
• caterpillar - T100 Listen T100 - Demo of caterpillar   
• ship - barge Listen inland - Demo of ship   
• ship - steamer Listen steamboat - Demo of ship   
• ship - steamer SS Furie Listen steamship SS Furie - Demo of ship   
• Ship - icebreaker Kontio Listen icebreaker Kontio - Demo of ship   
• Ship - Fireboat Listen Fire Extinguishing boat - Demo of ship   
• Ship - Freighter Listen freighter - Demo of ship   
• Ship - Kutter Listen Cutter - Demo of ship   
• Ship - Kutter_1 Listen Kutter_1 - Demo of ship   
• Ship - Mississippi steamer Listen Mississippi steamer - Demo of ship   
• Ship - Mississippidampfer_1 Listen Mississippidampfer_1 - Demo of ship   
• Ship - patrol boat Hohwacht II Listen patrol boat Hohwacht II - Demo of ship   
• Ship - Police Boat Listen police boat - Demo of ship   
• Marine - Powerboat Mercruiser Mercruiser listen Powerboat - Demo of ship   
• Ship - Riva Aquarama Riva Aquarama listen - Demo of ship   
• Ship - Riva Ariston Listen Riva Ariston - Demo of ship   
• Marine - marine diesel Listen ship diesel - Demo of ship   
• Ship - Schiffsdiesel_1 Listen Schiffsdiesel_1 - Demo of ship   
• Ship - Battleship Bismarck Listen Battleship Bismarck - Demo of ship   
• Vessel - tugboat Listen Tug - Demo of ship   
• Ship - Schlepper_1 Listen Schlepper_1 - Demo of ship   
• Ship - Schlepper_2 Listen Schlepper_2 - Demo of ship   
• Ship - Schlepper_3 Listen Schlepper_3 - Demo of ship   
• Ship - Schlepper_4 Listen Schlepper_4 - Demo of ship   
• Ship - Schlepper_5 Listen Schlepper_5 - Demo of ship   
• Ship - Schlepper_6 Listen Schlepper_6 - Demo of ship   
• ship - lifeboat Listen rescue boats - Demo of ship   
• Ship - Torpedo Boat T56 Listen Torpedo Boat T56 - Demo of ship   
• Ship - Yacht V12 Listen yacht V12 - Demo of ship   
• Tractor - Caterpillar 830m 830m listen Caterpillar - Demo of Traktor   
• Tractor - Claas Xerion Listen Claas Xerion - Demo of Traktor   
• Tractor - Eicher Mammut Listen Eicher Mammut - Demo of Traktor   
• Tractor - Fendt Diesel Ross Listen Fendt Diesel Ross - Demo of Traktor   
• Tractor - Fendt Vario 936 Listen Fendt Vario 936 - Demo of Traktor   
• Tractor - JCB Fastrac Listen JCB Fastrac - Demo of Traktor   
• Tractor - John Deere 8245R Listen John Deere 8245R - Demo of Traktor   
• Tractor - John Deere 8530 Listen John Deere 8530 - Demo of Traktor   
• Tractor - Kirovets K-700 Listen Kirovets K-700 - Demo of Traktor   
• Tractor - Kirovets K-700A Listen Kirovets K-700A - Demo of Traktor   
• Tractor - Lanz Listen Lanz - Demo of Traktor   
• Tractor - Lanz Bulldog Listen Lanz Bulldog - Demo of Traktor   
• Tractor - MB-Trac Listen to MB-Trac - Demo of Traktor   
• Tractor - MB-Trac 1800 Listen to MB-Trac 1800 - Demo of Traktor   
• Tractor - Schlόter 1250vl Listen Schlueter 1250vl - Demo of Traktor   
• Tractor - Schlόter Compact 950 Listen Schlueter Compact 950 - Demo of Traktor   
• Tractor - Schlόter Super 1500 TVL Listen Schlueter Super 1500 TVL - Demo of Traktor   
• Tractor - Unknown 01 Listen Unknown 01 - Demo of Traktor   
• Truck - DAF XF 105 Listen DAF XF 105 - Demo of Truck   
• Truck - Detroit Diesel Listen Detroit Diesel - Demo of Truck   
• Truck - GAZ-66 Demo of Truck - GAZ-66 listen   
• Truck - IVECO 140 E 30 Listen IVECO 140 E 30 - Demo of Truck   
• Truck - Kenworth W900 Kenworth W900 listen - Demo of Truck   
• Truck - M35A2 Listen M35A2 - Demo of Truck   
• Truck - MAN Listen MAN - Demo of Truck   
• Truck - MB Actros 2013 Listen MB Actros 2013 - Demo of Truck   
• Truck - MB-NG Listen MB-NG - Demo of Truck   
• Truck - MB-SK 88 Listen MB-SK 88 - Demo of Truck   
• Truck - Mack Listen Mack - Demo of Truck   
• Truck - Scania 140 V8 Listen Scania V8 140 - Demo of Truck   
• Truck - Scania V8 Scania V8 listen - Demo of Truck   
• Truck - Scania V8 with Turbo Pipes Listen Scania V8 with Turbo Pipe - Demo of Truck   
• Truck - Scania V8_1 Listen Scania V8_1 - Demo of Truck   
• Truck - Scania Vabis 56 Listen Scania Vabis 56 - Demo of Truck   
• Truck - Unimog 1600 Listen Unimog 1600 - Demo of Truck   
• Truck - Unimog 400 Listen Unimog 400 - Demo of Truck   
• Truck - Unimog 406 Listen Unimog 406 - Demo of Truck   
• Truck - Unimog 406_1 Listen Unimog 406_1 - Demo of Truck   
• Truck - Volvo FH16 Listen Volvo FH16 - Demo of Truck   
• Turbine - 1 Listen 1 - Demo of turbine   
• U-boat - U96 Listen U96 - demo of U-boat   


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Re: Sound Modules
« Reply #22 on: November 14, 2014, 11:31:52 am »
Inertia,

Quote from Inertia - "I don't know if either of the other sound systems mentioned here have this DIY facility - I suspect they don't."

WRONG for USM RC2  They also include Audacity and you simply add or edit their or your own .wav files and save them onto your up to 8GB micro sd card

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« Reply #23 on: November 14, 2014, 11:45:12 am »
If my Golf GTI sounded like the sound offered by this sound module    >:-o ........I would be praying I had enough $ to have if fixed.....what rubbish  >>:-(....... Derek

"Auto - VW Golf GTI " ....sounds more like a WWII Panza tank..... {-)
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« Reply #24 on: November 14, 2014, 11:49:17 am »
Gold GTI - Agree that one is crap - can that be said for ALL the rest?
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