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U-33 · « **on:** March 13, 2015, 10:45:16 pm »

How about this for a model boat?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2993639/Extraordinarily-detailed-12ft-long-scale-model-ocean-liner-RMS-Mauretania-fastest-ship-world-goes-sale-50-000.html

Rich

FsASTSyd1 · « **Reply #1 on:** March 14, 2015, 07:19:20 am »

Although this one was in the Science Museum for over 70 years, anybody remember all those wonderfull models that were in the Shipping, and railway, offices, close to Trafalgar Square. Think I first discoverd and lusted after them back in the early 50s. Another world eh.

Colin Bishop · « **Reply #2 on:** March 14, 2015, 10:22:52 am »

This rather highlights the dangers of closing down museum galleries as the Science Museum has done. Quite a few exhibits, such as this one, were on indefinite loan while on display to the public but when taken off display the terms of the loan mean that they revert to the original owner or their successors which is clearly what has happened here. So any assurances by museums that the models will be still available for study whilst in storage cannot necessarily be relied upon. It is doubtful that Mauretania will be seen again in public.

Legal ownership can persist over very long periods. I recall when working for a local authority that they closed down some small schools as being unviable and when they tried to sell the premises it was discovered that ownership reverted to local bodies such as the Vicar and Churchwardens under legal agreements drawn up in the 19th century.

Colin

FsASTSyd1 · « **Reply #3 on:** March 14, 2015, 11:06:20 am »

Colin, couldn't agree more with you, didn't we nearly loose a lot of exhibits from Greenwich. And as for not owning things, I understand the same problem has occurred with at least one if not more former RAF stations.

TailUK · « **Reply #4 on:** May 14, 2015, 04:39:35 pm »

Yesterdays news said that the model had sold for 162.000 Pounds. It's a beautiful model but I always thought that Cunard ships had red funnels?

Neil · « **Reply #5 on:** May 14, 2015, 04:47:42 pm »

think it's just faded paint work over the years, tailuk

Colin Bishop · « **Reply #6 on:** May 14, 2015, 05:07:20 pm »

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think it's just faded paint work over the years, tailuk

Actually the colour is almost certainly correct. Cunard funnels are historically described as being orange/red as when steamships were first introduced the funnels got very hot which was too much for most types of paint in those days which is why so many of them were painted black. I recall reading that the Cunard red paint contained a lot of red lead in it which was resistant to heat and gave the orangey hue. When colour photography became common, many colours were not rendered altogether correctly and Cunard funnels were often reproduced as a more pure red shade in books etc. Also the conditions under which you view the ship can alter the perceived colours.

If you look at my Avatar which is of the Queen Mary at Long Beach you will see that there is a definite orangey tint and that is what I remember when I used to see the Queens and other Cunarders in Southampton.

I wonder who bought the model and where it will end up?

Colin

TheLongBuild · « **Reply #7 on:** May 14, 2015, 05:18:34 pm »

I like the orange effect more..

TailUK · « **Reply #8 on:** May 14, 2015, 05:20:37 pm »

Apparently, it was bought by the Pullman Gallery, a London based dealer of high-end artefacts. The Liverpool museum was out bid.

DavieTait · « **Reply #9 on:** May 14, 2015, 05:32:31 pm »

Quote from: Colin Bishop on March 14, 2015, 10:22:52 am

Legal ownership can persist over very long periods. I recall when working for a local authority that they closed down some small schools as being unviable and when they tried to sell the premises it was discovered that ownership reverted to local bodies such as the Vicar and Churchwardens under legal agreements drawn up in the 19th century.

Colin

This happened up here in Fraserburgh about 10 years ago , the council decided they would close the Library and open a new one in the secondary school until someone pointed out that the Library building was built for the Carnegie Trust in the 1880's and still legally belonged to them. The council rapidly did a 180 on that one and refurbished the building ( as they were legally required to do , it had been left to degrade I personally think deliberately so they could close it and sell it off to a developer )

Rottweiler · « **Reply #10 on:** May 14, 2015, 06:55:55 pm »

Not that much bigger than my Working model of the RMS Queen Mary at 9 feet 3 inches long! Not built by me but I am very proud to own in and show it in his name.
Mick F

Colin Bishop · « **Reply #11 on:** May 14, 2015, 07:08:27 pm »

Different scale then Mick but your two models are superb.

The thing about these builder's models is that while the plated finish on the fittings may not be authentic, the actual detail is likely to closely replicate the original and these models are often the only accurate records of what the actual ship looked like.

Colin

Liverbudgie2 · « **Reply #12 on:** May 14, 2015, 07:30:14 pm »

"Cunard red" is in fact "red Lead" paint which I don't suppose is available nowadays. At a distance it looked red but when up close it was far more orange; IOMSP vessel used the same paint in their funnels as well.

Bad that it's not coming to Liverpool and worse that it's not staying in the North East where the model really belongs. The company who sold it should be ashamed of themselves. No doubt it will be disposed of to some rich Yank individual or gallery who will salivate over it. I hope that I'm wrong but I'm not holding my breath.

LB

Colin Bishop · « **Reply #13 on:** May 14, 2015, 07:47:08 pm »

Yes, bad that the company that sold it is going for a quick buck and even badder that the Science Museum has let it happen although my previous contacts with the curator of the maritime gallery suggested that he was pretty unhappy about the situation too.

Just as bad at Southampton where many superb models seem to have just disappeared when the collections were moved to the new facility bordering the Civic Centre which emphasised the Titanic over everything else. Most of the stuff in my old MB article http://www.modelboats.co.uk/news/article/a-vanished-era/7072 has now dropped out of sight.

Colin

Brian60 · « **Reply #14 on:** May 14, 2015, 08:16:24 pm »

I'll take your 12 foot and trump it with a 19 foot lowly tramp steamer

The model of Batavia Queen (my next model but at 2ft o.a.l) was built for the late 60's movie, Krakatoa, east of Java. It was modelled on a real ship and the builder spent 2 months taking measurements of the full size ship to get everything spot on. I did read somewhere that to him this was the smallest model you could build and have it behave reasonably lifelike on water

Buccaneer · « **Reply #15 on:** May 14, 2015, 08:19:43 pm »

I, vaguely, remember going on a school trip to Greenwich when I was 10 or 11 in 1958 or 1959. It included The Cutty Sark and also The Maritime Museum. All I remember is lots of fascinating ship models in glass cases. Wonder where they are now?
John

Colin Bishop · « **Reply #16 on:** May 14, 2015, 08:40:38 pm »

Krakatoa, east of Java was an excellent film except for the title as Krakatoa is actually west of Java...

Colin

unbuiltnautilus · « **Reply #17 on:** May 15, 2015, 11:42:36 am »

Guess that depends on which direction you head in, one just takes a bit longer than the other

PICKETBOAT · « **Reply #18 on:** May 15, 2015, 04:23:46 pm »

Hi all

Nice model and a real shame it's not going to a British Museum.

I don't know how carefully you all read the Daily Mail on line article.

The newspaper (and I use that term very loosely) claim the Lusitania was torpedoed by the "Nazis" in 2015. ????????

Sorry I couldn't find a suitably baffled smiley to put after a quote like this. I guess the article was written by a highly paid journalist who has no idea of either the dates or the participants in WW1.

Staggering.

Well at least the Daily Mail is still good for putting under the cats litter tray.

Colin Bishop · « **Reply #19 on:** May 15, 2015, 05:18:43 pm »

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Well at least the Daily Mail is still good for putting under the cats litter tray

Oh God no! The poor creature won't know if it's coming or going....

John R Haynes · « **Reply #20 on:** May 16, 2015, 10:51:46 am »

Wonder what has happened to the 4 models built by me that were in the shipping gallery.
I built a 1/200 [ 5ft ] Maury for The owner of the telegraph along with 7 other liner models that sit in his Toronto home . All these were waterline and Fleetscale sell the hulls I built.
john@johnrhaynes.com

Colin Bishop · « **Reply #21 on:** May 16, 2015, 11:25:16 am »

Unless they have been withdrawn by the owners then they should have ended up in storage: http://www.modelboats.co.uk/forums/postings.asp?th=55278

Colin

DavieTait · « **Reply #22 on:** May 16, 2015, 02:58:09 pm »

http://modelshipsinthecinema.com/wp/archives/tag/st-georges

I'll see your 19ft and raise it to 25ft Bond Movie model

Then I also raise it to 117ft as a remote controlled trawler ( one of 4 ) used as a target vessel for the Navy

http://www.gooleships.co.uk/goolesb/tokio.htm
http://float-trawlers.lancashire.gov.uk/index.php?a=forward&s=item&key=FYTozOntpOjA7aToyO2k6MTtpOjE7aToyO3M6MjU6IkltYWdlcyBpbiB0aGlzIENvbGxlY3Rpb24iO30=&pg=1536

Pondweed · « **Reply #23 on:** May 17, 2015, 01:56:01 pm »

Quote from: Brian56 on May 14, 2015, 08:16:24 pm

I'll take your 12 foot and trump it with a 19 foot lowly tramp steamer

The model of Batavia Queen (my next model but at 2ft o.a.l) was built for the late 60's movie, Krakatoa, east of Java. It was modelled on a real ship and the builder spent 2 months taking measurements of the full size ship to get everything spot on. I did read somewhere that to him this was the smallest model you could build and have it behave reasonably lifelike on water

That's a kraken photograph!!!

Netleyned · « **Reply #24 on:** May 17, 2015, 02:59:26 pm »

Quote from: Pondweed on May 17, 2015, 01:56:01 pm

That's a kraken photograph!!!

Ned

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