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Jerry Hill

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« on: July 13, 2015, 11:50:01 pm »

Any photographers here? This is one of my mainstay hobbies, and I must say combining it with model boats just recently has been interesting. Small boats way out on a lake are a challenge to look right, here's some of my efforts in this area:















































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Re: Photography
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2015, 11:14:13 am »

Some really cracking photos there well done
 
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Re: Photography
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2015, 01:41:06 pm »

I agree, very nice pics. What gear do you use?
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Re: Photography
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2015, 08:10:27 pm »

Thanks for the compliments.


Most of these were taken with a Canon 500D with a 100-400 IS USM L lens, I also use a 7D. Software for the digital's is Paintshop Pro X5.
 For film it's Nikon FM2's, but I don't use those for this sort of photography as I stopped my own processing and printing a long time ago, so they are very much for occasional use now. I've got a couple of medium format cameras now in the loft, I get them down every now and then to exercise them. A real shame, but they probably mourned the loss of plate cameras when roll film came out  ok2
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« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2015, 08:28:05 pm »

I am in the process of getting a 1909 Kodak Brownie km 11, shooting. Using 120 roll film, I am going to shoot a roll through it after making it light proof that is.....Digital is okay, but you can't beat the real thing..... %%
Great shots by the way.
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Re: Photography
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2015, 08:44:58 pm »

Give me that Box Brownie, some 120 HP5, and I'll give you images just as worthy as any above.


Rule one, cameras do not take photographs.
Rule two, equipment value means little to image value but it may make images accessible.
Rule three, the camera always lies.
Last rule, you can not buy ability, you learn it with whatever you have.


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« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2015, 09:41:42 pm »

Yes, they were very good in their day. I still have several old SLR's, including a late 50's Zenith B, the camera I learned photography with. I also have an unused, boxed Weston Master 5 light meter. Open the box and it looks like new, with that new leather smell from the case. This one was made around 1964.
Value has no importance. Quality counts....
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« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2015, 09:57:02 pm »

So true.

In 1977 I bought Russian Lubitel 2 twin lens reflex, it cost me nearly a weeks wages, £15. A year later I bought a Hasselblad 500CM, it cost me a five year bank loan. I can not tell you how disapointed I was when I learned the lubitel was just as good in many ways, a rude awakening. I've had  Olympus, Pentax, Leica, Canon, Zenit, Practica, Ricoh, Linhoff, Sony and Nikon. But none of them are hanging on the wall, it's the pictures I got from them which are that matter.
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« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2015, 09:59:54 pm »

Canon FD cameras and a bagful of lenses for me, along with a couple of Bronica ETRS's
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« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2015, 10:13:44 pm »

Zenza (sp) Bronica, built like brick outhouses. Lovely things. When I eventually found out that Hasselblad lenses were out of reach I went for a Mamiya M645 as a medium format system camera, Its been fine but I do think the Bronica being considered would have been a better choice, I'm guilty of being a bit rough with my cameras (fussy about lens cleanliness though) and the Mamiya is a bit delicate. I only bought the 7D because of the magnesium body as my history with plastic ones is not great  %)
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« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2015, 10:29:24 pm »

Zenza (sp) Bronica, built like brick outhouses. Lovely things. When I eventually found out that Hasselblad lenses were out of reach I went for a Mamiya M645 as a medium format system camera, Its been fine but I do think the Bronica being considered would have been a better choice, I'm guilty of being a bit rough with my cameras (fussy about lens cleanliness though) and the Mamiya is a bit delicate. I only bought the 7D because of the magnesium body as my history with plastic ones is not great  %)


That is why I went for the Bronicas and also my Canon F-1N's . You could bang in tent pegs with either make and still take pictures!
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« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2015, 10:47:43 pm »

I still got 2 Contax ziess icon cameras from the mid 30's that were my dad's even then they had shutter speeds of 1250 I used them until I bought a Contax 139 Quartz which was a high tech camera in it's day.


Jerry, how did you get so low when taking those pictures of the boats you look to be at water level.
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« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2015, 11:06:57 pm »


That is why I went for the Bronicas and also my Canon F-1N's . You could bang in tent pegs with either make and still take pictures!


That made me smile  :-)


When I was much younger I was having a row with a guy in a pub about why I'd bought Nikons over his plastic Canon A1. Frustrated by him I put one on the floor and stood on it. He refused to stand on his. I was a bit of a jerk in those days, the camera was fine of course.  %)
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« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2015, 11:13:47 pm »

@ tony23



It's a big thing of mine, I think it gives the boats a more scale look by being shot from an angle more like a full sized situation would be. In my head anyway  %) . It's achieved by lying on our club lake's pontoon, and shooting the boats when they are maybe 20-25 meters away, hence a low angle of view. If it's right then I can pretty much appear to be below the height of the boat when it works properly. This pic is the quickest I can find that shows that:





I do plan to get an angle finder though, this will allow me to hang the camera over the side of the pontoon and get right down to water level.
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Re: Photography
« Reply #14 on: July 14, 2015, 11:16:54 pm »


Nice shots Jerry, excellent!!

I love photography too... but my effort belie that fact, I try to compensate with volume....   :embarrassed:
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« Reply #15 on: July 14, 2015, 11:33:26 pm »

not only have you got the low line spot on but also the angle of the boat in the frame can you remember what shutter speed and aperture your using in those shots
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« Reply #16 on: July 14, 2015, 11:39:02 pm »

Thanks Martin.


Photography is an art if you want it to be, and art is fraught with opinion in any field. It is also a means of keeping records, and those records may not be arty, but can be just as valuable to memory, and hold more to the photographer than may appear to others. As such the value of any image is to the beholder and those privy to the circumstances of the event that lead to it being taken.


One of many photo mentors from my past said something once I've never forgotten: 'If an image is effective enough for you to place it in a frame and put it on your wall, then it's a good picture'


I will say though that photography to me is about a resulting image, and whilst getting it right in the camera is important, it's only a part of generating a picture that's complete. To some this might mean using a particular film and developing process that gives a certain feel, coupled with more choices in selective framing, paper contrast choice and also it's development when enlarging onto paper prints. In digital terms the same applies, but now we have electronic controls to configure what's captured, and more electronic controls to edit the image, and indeed in printing with digital printers. So, with some fiddling what might be considered lesser images can be be made more special, it just takes the eye to see the picture within the picture sometimes.


A lot of folk frown on digital as being less noble that film, but here's the facts: There is no mass produced digital camera on earth that can meet the resolution of even a basic large format film camera. The issue is what you intend to do with the image, I reckon my limit from a digital is a 20x30 print, but 99% of it is for viewing on computers in which case my cameras exceed the resolution of anything I'm viewing it on, so it's good enough as any resolution benefit is rarely used, or even visible.
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Re: Photography
« Reply #17 on: July 14, 2015, 11:47:28 pm »

not only have you got the low line spot on but also the angle of the boat in the frame can you remember what shutter speed and aperture your using in those shots


The joy of digital is that I can tell you exactly. That last image was taken on the 7D on Aperture priority, in standard mode, auto white balance, ISO 800, 1/256th, f8, at 400mm focal length using the lens' gyro stabiliser in vertical mode only.


Having said what I have above, the raw original image may surprise you  ok2
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« Reply #18 on: July 15, 2015, 07:25:54 am »

No apparent noise at 800 ISO......A good result indeed. Focus is spot on, not easy to achieve with a fast moving, small subject. Did you shoot on continuous and pick the best?
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« Reply #19 on: July 15, 2015, 05:05:17 pm »

Hello,

Many, many years ago, while working at a very successful Engineering company, there was a big gap in the incoming Orders.
The Company did not want to lose any of their workforce - - but we were stood around with nothing to do!!!.
My Foreman asked me if there was anything I needed to make, he would tell the Management that I was making Jigs !.

So I made my Monorail View Camera !!.

The Lens is a Schneider Kreuznach Xenar 4,5/ 180mm.
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The Tripod legs are of Hardwood and an Alloy and Steel, Ball and Socket Head.
There is a full range of Movements on the Camera - - just like the ones I could not afford !.
For many years afterwards the Camera was a constant source of Money, I love it still !!!.

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« Reply #20 on: July 15, 2015, 06:40:03 pm »

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'If an image is effective enough for you to place it in a frame and put it on your wall, then it's a good picture'

Indeed, but it's very easy to run out of walls....

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« Reply #21 on: July 15, 2015, 08:25:46 pm »

No apparent noise at 800 ISO......A good result indeed. Focus is spot on, not easy to achieve with a fast moving, small subject. Did you shoot on continuous and pick the best?

Its varies, sometimes I'll pre focus,  sometimes follow focus. The lens can keep up with a boat coming towards me at speed ok,  but I like to keep the DOF down and the camera may lock on to water splashes et al which on a fast boat can be a rooster tail 10 meters or so long,  so it's not always reliable. In each case either single or multi shot. But, even at 8 frames a second it's possible to miss an ideal shot between frames, plus it means loads of useless frames and of course wastage of the sensor, so I limit it to a burst of three usually or just get the timing right with a single one. You can predict the boats actions after a few laps which helps.
Lack of digital noise, or grain, from the high ISO is largely synthetic as a tool in Post is used to clean them up.
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« Reply #22 on: July 15, 2015, 08:29:37 pm »

Hello,

Many, many years ago, while working at a very successful Engineering company, there was a big gap in the incoming Orders.
The Company did not want to lose any of their workforce - - but we were stood around with nothing to do!!!.
My Foreman asked me if there was anything I needed to make, he would tell the Management that I was making Jigs !.

So I made my Monorail View Camera !!.

The Lens is a Schneider Kreuznach Xenar 4,5/ 180mm.
The Film size is 2,1/4 x 3,1/4, Roll Film, with a Rotating Back.
All parts made from Alloy.
The Tripod legs are of Hardwood and an Alloy and Steel, Ball and Socket Head.
There is a full range of Movements on the Camera - - just like the ones I could not afford !.
For many years afterwards the Camera was a constant source of Money, I love it still !!!.

John.

Loving that john, not too dissimilar to a Linhoff I had. I like the feature of axis shift being there, there's no substitute for a shift lens in architecture photography. I'd be proud to own that, it looks like the build quality is in the right place.
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