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Gas Burners
« on: November 11, 2015, 11:10:45 am »

I am proceeding well with the construction of the boiler to Mr Arnot's design, published in Model Boats in December 1993.  For those not familiar with the design, it is basically 5" long by 3 1/2" wide with a centre flue of 1 5/16 (28mm) and seven cross tubes of 1/4" set in a spiral.

Turning my attention to the burner, Mr Arnot has specified either the Taymar LFB 900  or LT 2900.  Well, time has moved on and these models have been superseded and so far I have not been able to source either a new or second hand one.

The chances are I will use a Butane/Propane mix, so I will also need to consider such things as jet size and additional air for combustion via the burner support cap.  So I am now looking for an alternative to the Taymar models specified above, and any advice and guidance would be appreciated.

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Re: Gs Burners
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2015, 01:32:34 pm »

I think you will find that most gas blowlamps use a mixture of butane/propane so any manufacturer will suffice. I suspect its really not that critical with his design of boiler.
 
I also have his articles and constructed his V4 double acting oscilator. Really excellent articles and a real contribution to the hobby.
 
Good luck
 
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Re: Gs Burners
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2015, 08:34:59 pm »

I am proceeding well with the construction of the boiler to Mr Arnot's design, published in Model Boats in December 1993.  For those not familiar with the design, it is basically 5" long by 3 1/2" wide with a centre flue of 1 5/16 (28mm) and seven cross tubes of 1/4" set in a spiral.

Turning my attention to the burner, Mr Arnot has specified either the Taymar LFB 900  or LT 2900.  Well, time has moved on and these models have been superseded and so far I have not been able to source either a new or second hand one.

The chances are I will use a Butane/Propane mix, so I will also need to consider such things as jet size and additional air for combustion via the burner support cap.  So I am now looking for an alternative to the Taymar models specified above, and any advice and guidance would be appreciated.



Hi.
Go into your nearest D.I.Y. store and you will find plumbers blow lamps of the torch type, they will burn straight Butane or the mix, another scource is car boot sales or junk shops.
Any type of head will do and the jet that is in them don't need to be replaced, they are normaly about a No 5 jet, ,if the flame is too big just turn the flame down.
Here is a pic of one of my burners modified to suit my boiler , this is from an old blowlamp now not available but the modern ones do the job.
Hope that this helps.

George.

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Re: Gs Burners
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2015, 08:54:49 pm »

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Re: Gs Burners
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2015, 10:21:04 am »

Iv built that boiler and been a tight wads made a copy of the  burner and she is a good little steamer.
The only advantage of the burner specified is that it has a pre heat tube in the flame so you can draw liquid gas from the tank
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Re: Gas Burners
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2015, 11:30:49 am »

Thank you all for your input.  I have considered the Sievert burners, nos. 8720 and 8842,but I was concerned that they might burn the first few cross tubes out.
The Clevedon Steam Burner does seem to be the best option to date.

Thanks again everybody.
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Re: Gas Burners
« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2015, 12:30:41 am »

Thank you all for your input.  I have considered the Sievert burners, nos. 8720 and 8842,but I was concerned that they might burn the first few cross tubes out.
The Clevedon Steam Burner does seem to be the best option to date.

Thanks again everybody.
As long as you have water in the cross tubes I don't think they would burn out.
Regards,
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Re: Gas Burners
« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2015, 02:13:40 pm »

those burners are more pinpoint.  The broad diffuser on the Clevedon steam burner produces much heat on a larger front, and it's 28mm overall dia.  I use it in my 3 inch horizontal boiler.  As long as you silver solder the boiler, and your first cross tube is about 1- 2 inches from the flame, AND you keep the water level appropriate, AND you use the proper gauge copper tubes, you will have no problems.  The whole boiler and its contents have to come up to temp before you get constant boil. I like a flame to heat the most area going down the barrel or through watertubes.  I have used #8 and #5 jets with no significant change in time to boil in my 3 inch boilers (even allowing for O2 requirement). Copper is an excellent conductor of heat and easily conducts it away from 'hot' spots (eg:  point heat on a crosstube), but efficiency decreases. 

You of course realize that no burner is perfect off the shelf because as the gas pressure changes, the  burner flame and heat changes. Appropriate O2 mixing and gas molecule distribution and gas mix are critical for best heat.

 From net source:

Fuel mix (% butane/propane): Scorpion (100% butane), primus (75/25), outlander (70/30), isobutane (80% isobutane, 20% propane) and there are others...

Initial water temp matters too. Additionally, lagging, the flue design/updraft /smokebox/superheater design also important. But by far the most important element is your steam requirement.  How much steam do you need for your project. The key is to design and build a boiling system to fit the requirement.  Calculate need and then design boiler. Bench test burner/boiler designs for the best one for your application.

As far as crosstube boilers, these are proven designs with fairly quick time to boil, but not so much reserve. 
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Re: Gas Burners
« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2015, 10:49:35 am »

As the Sievert burners are pinpoint burners it did cross my mind that they could possibly burn out the first cross tubes, which is why I mentioned it, to see what opinions other people had.  The small hand held disposal cartridge type of burner has a "softer" flame, that is why I was seeking a suitable substitute to the original specified.

I have looked at the Clevedon steam product and I am initially drawn to this one, as it provides both a financial and an easy technical solution.
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Re: Gas Burners
« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2015, 02:18:54 pm »

 :-)) I bought the Clevedon burner for my Chedder boiler to replace the original which was showing its age,the improvement is outstanding and I would recommend it as it now steams up quicker and I am now using less gas.......Ray :-))
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Re: Gas Burners
« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2015, 12:01:02 pm »

One nice thing about the Clevedon burners is that they have stainless mesh rather than ceramic diffuser. The ceramic tends to break down and crumble after a while. My Cheddar boiler burner is falling apart, but it is also probably 10 yrs old(and not used much either). The stainless mesh has not changed a bit in 4 years of good use.
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