Topic: Dashcams (Read 18791 times)

Netleyned · « **Reply #25 on:** December 20, 2015, 04:49:24 pm »

Just nit picking really.
Police may accept them as kosher
but the Insurance companies are another
kettle of underwater species.
One sniff of tampering and you will be lining
the repairers pockets yourself

Ned

Tug Fanatic · « **Reply #26 on:** December 20, 2015, 04:57:31 pm »

That is why I said to keep the full unedited original unmolested.

GAZOU · « **Reply #27 on:** December 20, 2015, 05:45:23 pm »

It is impossible to modify the card, I do not know how we can make it.
If we could extract parts(parties) of videos it would allow modifications
If you have three hours or more video where we see that you ldrive well it is better for you, for the insurances and the police.

If you drive badly the car it maybe difficult for you in .......
It is better to lose 20 euros and to prove our reason.
I am very happy to lose 20 euros, I gained 2000 euros

TheLongBuild · « **Reply #28 on:** December 20, 2015, 05:58:34 pm »

Quote from: GAZOU on December 20, 2015, 05:45:23 pm

It is impossible to modify the card, I do not know how we can make it.
If we could extract parts(parties) of videos it would allow modifications
If you have three hours or more video where we see that you ldrive well it is better for you, for the insurances and the police.

If you drive badly the car it maybe difficult for you in .......
It is better to lose 20 euros and to prove our reason.
I am very happy to lose 20 euros, I gained 2000 euros

?? It is actually very easy to Edit a card to extract just the part you need and not the bits where you have gone through a few red lights.

Tug Fanatic · « **Reply #29 on:** December 20, 2015, 07:00:24 pm »

There is also a great deal to be said for keeping the original under your control unless it is absolutely necessary to let someone else have it. Copies you can pass around without anything like the same concerns.

klz · « **Reply #30 on:** December 20, 2015, 09:53:05 pm »

I have one with front and rear view camera it records in 15 minute sessions so you don't have to send hours of recordings to police or insurence, it also as impact sensor if you are in a collision it will record and save the relevant footage.

Andyn · « **Reply #31 on:** December 20, 2015, 10:00:49 pm »

Pretty much every dash cam records in set intervals, and most you can change how long you want those intervals to be. Mine is set to 5 minutes per recording.

grendel · « **Reply #32 on:** December 21, 2015, 09:45:43 am »

I think mine are in 4 minute segments.
mind you wasnt this mentioned in regard to the guy on the M1 where the police took 3 hours to go out to him after he had a tussel with a lorry, it was claimed that the footage he posted was only at the end where the lorry sideswiped him with its trailer, there was some talk that prior to that he had already had a set to with the lorry by aggressively cutting it up, so in some cases the previous footage would have been relevant.
A dashcam may never give the whole story, but it may just give a little extra evidence to apportion the blame one way or the other, particularly in the instances of crash for cash where you are set up to rear end the other car, I believe dash cams have reduced the number of these type of claims, and led to prosecutions.
Grendel

tigertiger · « **Reply #33 on:** December 21, 2015, 11:25:04 am »

Dash cams are best to show that you are NOT to blame.
If you are involved in an accident at a cross roads, it will show that you did not jump the red light as claimed. They also protect you from bogus claims of people who say you hit them (for an insurance payout) when you didn't even touch them.

I am not sure how this video evidence would stand up in court. I don't think it would. I am pretty sure that in the UK it cannot be used as primary evidence.
For speeding it can't really, as there are too many variables, unless your speedo reading and apparent speed is way over the top.
However, in most cases once a video is shown in court, most people will not bother to contest the evidence, but for the police it is not the primary evidence.

Doing 150mph on the M25 on youyube, red light violations would still need me to admit guilt (primary evidence).
As for youtube. If I contested it, you could only really prove what stretch of road it was and that it was uploaded from my computer. Did my kids upload it? Was it my video? Was it my car? Was I the driver? Was it on the date and time shown? Was that my voice?

For insurance claims, it is usually the insurance companies who decide amongst themselves who is to blame. Which is why it is better not to be hit by someone insured by the same company as you, as they are often settled as 'knock for knock'.

dreadnought72 · « **Reply #34 on:** December 21, 2015, 11:31:34 am »

I wish I'd had a dashcam about eight months ago. I was driving to work at 4am (as you do!) and, in the pre-dawn sky to the east of Stirling, I saw the brightest fireball I'd ever seen, falling towards Fife and presumably burning out over the North Sea. Very beautiful.

Andy

tigertiger · « **Reply #35 on:** December 21, 2015, 11:49:16 am »

To be honest, I live in China. This is why I have a dash cam.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqaig0nVcDs favourite one is at 3m 20s
They even do it to cyclists here. Claim you have to cover the cost of their trip to the hospital. No insurance, but the police can make you cough up 150 quid in cash. The claimant then toddles off home. The culprit is usually a senior citizen.

grendel · « **Reply #36 on:** December 21, 2015, 01:10:12 pm »

things I have seen - outrageous undertaking - https://youtu.be/iSZAn6fdcGY

jaguar pulls out at the last minute - https://youtu.be/6twlQYLs1Go

van doesn't bother stopping at roundabout - https://youtu.be/SyV5ftZj6-s

and these weren't even accidents

(Links corrected)

Martin (Admin) · « **Reply #37 on:** December 22, 2015, 05:58:36 pm »

Sorry no pictures of my Dashcam mount yet, broadband down here at home for a week now and Talktalk say;

'We think it's your router, we'll send you a new one. Sorry but it will take 3 to 5 days. Happy Christmas sucker!'

.... I'm ever so please with their service!

D108 · « **Reply #38 on:** December 22, 2015, 11:41:53 pm »

It's worth keeping in mind that a collision may not result in a prosecution by the police in the criminal court where the burden of proof is "beyond reasonable doubt"

Where as insurance companies take other to civil court where the burden of proof is lower ie" in the balance of probabilities" [size=78%]The Crown prosecution guidelines usually mean if there's no reasonable chance of a conviction in court they won't proceed, but that does not stop the insurance companies taking action.[/size]

It's up to you what evidence you offer in court, if it's edited you may be questioned about it . I would suggest you check it before you submit it, and keep an un edited version.
I worked in a collision investigation unit, it was not uncommon for folks to submit photos of junctions etc , that clearly showed they did not know what the signs and road markings meant, either not helping their case or proving they were wrong.
Paul

justboatonic · « **Reply #39 on:** December 23, 2015, 12:53:03 pm »

You can get some reasonably cheap dashcams (40 quid mark) but you need to make sure they record in good quality to capture a number plate. Many of these cheaper ones dont and that's in broad daylight.

If you're serious about dashcams, dont just buy on price. Also, most dashcams do not capture pictures in jpeg format and you need further software to edit the video capture. Im not convinced by the need to have a screen on a dashcam myself so that knocks out a lot for me. Make sure it can be hardwired too because if its in the cigar lighter socket, you soon tire of the loose cable or stop plugging it in for every journey. And we all know what will happen the one time you dont plug it in!

Myself, I favour the Blackview 600 - 650 series. Some will consider these pricey at £200 but they have the features I want.

tugboat pete · « **Reply #40 on:** February 17, 2016, 07:10:46 pm »

Hi all i had a near miss with a cycle rider in cardiff just before christmas typical bike rider eight pm evening raining no street lights and the idiot had no lights on the bike no skid lid and no hi viz vest rode streight off the pavement in front of my 2 ton 4x4 tell you what i crapped a brick if i had hit him it would have been no dought my fault because i was driving a 4x4 so i fitted two dash cams front and rear screens running 32gb micro memory cards on a 5 min run i would advise any driver to install at least one of these devices for piece of mind.

craggle · « **Reply #41 on:** February 18, 2016, 01:10:46 pm »

Missed this post when it was first posted.

I have a Blackvue DR400G-HD camera in my car. Very small and discrete unit that sits just behind the mirror but inside the window wiper arc. I ran the cable behind the dash, door pillar trim and under the head lining to keep it all invisible. It has GPS too so it tracks your speed, location, time etc...
Been very impressed with it. It's now a discontinued model but apart from needing a new SD card after a few years it's been faultless, just sits there and does it's job.

Recorded this just last Friday on a very cold, icy road. The other car ended up facing the wrong way in the hedge row!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDd_sRhFYgg

Craig.

grendel · « **Reply #42 on:** February 18, 2016, 08:21:51 pm »

The video is your proof that the other car was out of control when it hit you, now the insurance cant just say knock for knock, or that you are in any way at fault.

craggle · « **Reply #43 on:** February 18, 2016, 08:56:18 pm »

Yes, Glad I have the footage and have backed it up in several places!
Both my insurance company and the other persons has asked if I have video footage and I said, "why yes, I do" but so far neither have asked to see it.
The car is booked in for repair on the 4th of March and the other drivers insurance, Diamond have been very good so far in handling the claim. They contacted me an hour after the event and said they'd like to take care of everything so I don't need to claim on my insurance protecting my no claims and hopefully not affecting future premiums. I have received a letter from them stating their enthusiasm to sort everything on my behalf but they did say it wasn't a statement of liability?
Been 20 odd years now since I last dealt with insurance companies so not sure what the process is but I have notified my insurance company and stated I won't be claiming anything from them.

Anyway, Video footage and photos are stored just in case anything comes back on me.

Craig.

essex2visuvesi · « **Reply #44 on:** February 18, 2016, 09:18:18 pm »

could have been a lot worse

Colin Bishop · « **Reply #45 on:** February 18, 2016, 10:46:31 pm »

Your next premium will probably still go up though as they will regard you as 'accident prone'.

Colin

Getemuphigh · « **Reply #46 on:** February 23, 2016, 05:35:22 pm »

I use a duel lens 140 degree dashcam and is sold as the "X3000" on Amazon etc for less than £30.00, then just fit say a 32GB micro SD card for a few pounds more.

It comes with all the mounts and cables with a 12v cigarette plug to easy power from your car socket.

Its been very reliable with no problems in about 18 months daily use.

The front and rear duel cameras can be used together or say just the front one.

It has GPS and when the SD card is removed for viewing on your PC or laptop it has some software it writes to the card so can be easily viewed together with a map showing where you have driven while the video is playing back, very easy to use.

Down side is the night vision is not too good, especially if there are no street lights.

As an upgrade I have been looking at the HP model F-800G which sells for approx. £100.00, again available on Amazon.

Hope this helps.
Pete

Netleyned · « **Reply #47 on:** February 23, 2016, 08:47:47 pm »

Even telling the insurers you have had
an accident with no cost to them
results in a hike next premium day

Ned

grendel · « **Reply #48 on:** February 23, 2016, 10:01:55 pm »

yes but so does not telling them and them finding out.

nivapilot · « **Reply #49 on:** February 24, 2016, 10:46:02 am »

I use the good old Mobius camera, mounted on top of the dash.
Set to auto switch on from external source, record in ten minute segments and over write old files....
It just sort of sits there on the dash doing it's thing.....

Then I can take it off it's mount, attach to boat or quad and carry on filming..great bit of kit.

I only carry it in the car after I hit someone up the rear end, they slammed brakes on and said they were letting someone out from a side road, when there wasn't anyone there....and then claimed whiplash injuries for 4 people..........only two were in the car.....

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